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say about Re: "Putting on Make-up with Mommy": ROFL! While we haven’t gone through the whole litany, THIS did happen with me and Sugar (when I could least afford replacing the foundation – which was more like 15.00, but that was at that stage just like 40.00 to me!!) This must be a gender thing, because when you said that replacing the foundation would be unaffordable, I nodded to myself thinking how difficult it would be to repour the foundation for a house. You haven’t shared living space with women much, have you?

Zing! LOL

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Re: "Putting on Make-up with Mommy": This must be a gender thing, because when you said that replacing the foundation would be unaffordable, I nodded to myself thinking how difficult it would be to repour the foundation for a house. You haven’t shared living space with women much, have you? Zing! LOL

Not intending to zing Tak, at least not in a mean way. — "Don’t mess with major appliances unless you know what you are doing (or unless your life insurance policy is up-to-date)." – John, RCFL

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Re: "Putting on Make-up with Mommy": This must be a gender thing, because when you said that replacing the foundation would be unaffordable, I nodded to myself thinking how difficult it would be to repour the foundation for a house. You haven’t shared living space with women much, have you? Zing! LOL Not intending to zing Tak, at least not in a mean way.

I know. It was just funny.

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Cast of characters: Sammy – 2 1/2 month old kitten Mommy – MUCH older human

<snip ROTFLMAO — Steve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html

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In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", Jun 2004: Mommy enters bathroom, sits on stool in front of sink, turns on lighted, magnified make-up mirror and takes out make-up case.

First, I want a bathroom like yours.  :)  Next, I think you need to do makeup in the nude.  Finally, do you go through this every day?? — Cheryl

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Mommy removes make-up stained suit, removes blood stained blouse, removes torn and bloody panty hose.  Mommy tries to put on new panty hose, but Sammy sees a sinuous beige snake moving around Mommy’s ankles and pounces!

And at that point, what you need to do is whooosh, put kitten in the pantyhose.  Marcia once said that this makes the cat look like a newborn kitten still in its sack.

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ROFL! While we haven’t gone through the whole litany, THIS did happen with me and Sugar (when I could least afford replacing the foundation – which was more like 15.00, but that was at that stage just like 40.00 to me!!)

This must be a gender thing, because when you said that replacing the foundation would be unaffordable, I nodded to myself thinking how difficult it would be to repour the foundation for a house.

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That is too funny! Thank goodnes we don’t wear makeup, we’d never leave the house! — Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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say about Re: "Putting on Make-up with Mommy": ROFL! While we haven’t gone through the whole litany, THIS did happen with me and Sugar (when I could least afford replacing the foundation – which was more like 15.00, but that was at that stage just like 40.00 to me!!) This must be a gender thing, because when you said that replacing the foundation would be unaffordable, I nodded to myself thinking how difficult it would be to repour the foundation for a house.

You haven’t shared living space with women much, have you? — "Don’t mess with major appliances unless you know what you are doing (or unless your life insurance policy is up-to-date)." – John, RCFL

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Cast of characters: Sammy – 2 1/2 month old kitten Mommy – MUCH older human

<bandwidth snip Marvelous writing.  Great story.  And now for "Putting on clothes with Mommy"?  Thanks for the laugh! Sam

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That is too funny! Thank goodnes we don’t wear makeup, we’d never leave the house!

Yes, thank goodness you don’t wear makeup.  Personally, if I did, I wouldn’t leave the house either.

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Cast of characters: Sammy – 2 1/2 month old kitten Mommy – MUCH older human Mommy enters bathroom, sits on stool in front of sink, turns on lighted, magnified make-up mirror and takes out make-up case.  Mommy pulls out liquid foundation make-up, takes off top, pours some make-up into palm of hand, puts down make-up bottle on sink rim, and begins to apply make-up to face.

ROFLMAO, gasping and slapping my knee!! I really needed that laughter! I have forwarded it on to several people who also need a good laugh. Now I can hardly wait for the next installment. — CATherine

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ROFL! While we haven’t gone through the whole litany, THIS did happen with me and Sugar (when I could least afford replacing the foundation – which was more like 15.00, but that was at that stage just like 40.00 to me!!) This must be a gender thing, because when you said that replacing the foundation would be unaffordable, I nodded to myself thinking how difficult it would be to repour the foundation for a house.

LOL!!

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  Cast of characters:   Sammy – 2 1/2 month old kitten   Mommy – MUCH older human   Mommy enters bathroom, sits on stool in front of sink, turns on   lighted, magnified make-up mirror and takes out make-up case. This was hilarious! Thank you for a good laugh. I would have gently placed Sammy on Dear Husband’s face and then closed the *bedroom* door!!! Joyce

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Omg! This is one of the funniest cat stories I’ve ever read — great writing!  Welcome to the group "CatNipped"! Can’t wait for more installments! I’m owned and manipulated by Omar (4); Midnight (4); Oreo (3); Robin (2) and Tucker (2) http://yahoo.photos.com/cfbureltoo (photos of the above)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cast of characters: Sammy – 2 1/2 month old kitten Mommy – MUCH older human Mommy enters bathroom, sits on stool in front of sink, turns on lighted, magnified make-up mirror and takes out make-up case.  Mommy pulls out liquid foundation make-up, takes off top, pours some make-up into palm of hand, puts down make-up bottle on sink rim, and begins to apply make-up to face. Sammy, who is busy biting Bandit’s tail, finally realizes that Mommy is doing something that does not involve her kitten-ness.  Sammy leaps up and tears into the bathroom, jumps onto the toilet seat, then leaps to the edge of the sink – knocking over make-up bottle which promptly starts emptying its $40 worth of contents down the drain.  Sammy jumps down into sink to investigate this strange liquid. Mommy frantically start scooping up make-up with fingers and tries to smush as much as possible back into bottle including as few kitten hairs as possible. Sammy jumps back to sink rim, then down to toilet seat, then down to bathroom floor, leaving little beige-colored footprints in her wake. Mommy scoops up Sammy and tries to wipe make-up from paws with tissue.  Sammy does not think this is a fun games and wriggles around smearing make-up on Mommy’s suit sleeves. Mommy dabs at suit sleeves with tissue. Mommy finally gets most of the make-up off of Sammy’s paws, the floor, the toilet seat, and the sink. Mommy gently places Sammy on bathroom floor. Mommy sits back down to continue applying her make-up.  Mommy takes out eye-liner stick to being applying color to the bottom of her eyes. Sammy sees the moving end of the eye-liner stick and jumps back up to the sink rim to swat at the twitching target.  The tip of the prodded eye-liner stick enters Mommy’s left eye.  Mommy jumps backwards, tips over stool and falls on her posterior while saying very bad words. Mommy gets back up, wipes tearing eye with tissue and gently places Sammy on bathroom floor. Mommy re-adjusts make-up mirror which was skewed by Mommy’s flailing arms while in the process of falling on her posterior. Sammy jumps back up to sink rim to see what Mommy is playing with. Sammy sees herself in the magnified mirror and thinks that a much larger, strange cat is walking towards her.  Sammy becomes startled and jumps on Mommy for protection. Mommy removes Sammy’s claws from throat and chest and gently places her on the bathroom floor. Mommy wipes bleeding throat and chest with tissue. Mommy removes powder eye-shadow and plucks eye-shadow brush from brush holder.  As Mommy picks up eye-shadow brush she notices hundreds of tiny teeth marks along wooden handle, and sighs. Sammy jumps back up to sink rim to investigate the powder eye-shadow which smells enticing enough to take a lick.  Mommy doesn’t notice this, dips eye-shadow brush into powder eye-shadow and proceeds to apply shadow, laced with kitten spit, to left eyelid. Mommy removes clumpy eye-shadow with tissue and gently places Sammy on bathroom floor. Mommy takes out black mascara and begins to apply to lashes.  Sammy jumps back up to sink rim and sniffs the tube of mascara, applying a black ring around her nose.  Sammy tries to lick off black ring and makes gagging motions at the taste of the mascara. Mommy grabs up Sammy and wipes away mascara with tissue. Mommy firmly places Sammy on bathroom floor. Mommy takes out powder blush and plucks blush brush from brush holder.  As Mommy picks up blush brush she notices hundreds of tiny teeth marks along wooden handle, and sighs. Sammy jumps back up to sink rim, but this time miscalculates and slips back down.  Sammy lands on toilet paper holder and digs in her claws to stop her fall.  Toilet paper proceeds to unroll in a quite fascinating manner, so Sammy continues to claw at it until she is surrounded by half a roll of toilet paper. Mommy disentangles Sammy from toilet paper and firmly places her on bathroom floor, then shoves excess toilet paper into bathroom waste basket. Sammy jumps back up to toilet paper roll and proceeds to unroll the rest of the toilet paper. Mommy disentangles Sammy from toilet paper and firmly places her on bathroom floor, then shoves excess toilet paper into bathroom waste basket. Mommy again picks up blush brush, swipes it in the powder blush, and proceeds to apply blush to cheeks. Sammy jumps back up to sink rim and swats at shiny blush case sending it careening across the sink before plunging to tiled bathroom floor where the cover breaks away from the base and the mirror on the cover shatters. Mommy grabs Sammy before she can jump down and cut her tiny paws on pieces of mirror.  Mommy puts Sammy outside of bathroom and shuts the door while she cleans up the pieces of broken mirror, in the process a piece of broken mirror enters the sole of Mommy’s right foot. Sammy howls, horribly heartbroken, outside of bathroom door.  DH yells from bed, "For gawd’s sake let that cat into the bathroom before she wakes the whole block!" Mommy dabs away blood from foot with tissue and sighs.  Mommy allows Sammy back into bathroom once shards of mirror are removed and Sammy gives Mommy a dirty look for the indignity and hurt of being locked out of a room which is occupied by Mommy. Mommy removes loose face powder from make-up case and plucks powder brush from brush holder.  As Mommy picks up powder brush she notices hundreds of tiny teeth marks along wooden handle, and sighs. Sammy decides to forgive Mommy and jumps back up to sink rim.  Sammy sticks her face into loose face powder and takes a big sniff.  Sammy sneezes into face powder causing a mini-explosion of powder to fly into the sink, mirror, and bathroom floor, and getting kitty boogers into the remaining powder. Mommy reaches for a tissue to clean up powder, but the tissue box is empty.  Mommy reaches for some toilet paper to clean up powder, but the toilet paper roll is empty.  Mommy considers using Sammy as a handi-wipe, but comes to her senses first.  Mommy gets new box of tissues from cabinet and new toilet paper roll from under the sink. Mommy wipes powder from sink, mirror, floor, and Sammy with tissue and sighs. Mommy takes out lipstick from make-up case and plucks lipstick brush from brush holder.  As Mommy picks up lipstick brush she notices hundreds of tiny teeth marks along wooden handle, and sighs. Sammy sees bright red object in Mommy’s hand and decides to take a taste.  Sammy takes bite out of end of lipstick and starts making gagging motions at the taste.  Mommy grabs Sammy and tries to get lipstick off of spiky little tongue.  Sammy objects to this and bites down on Mommy’s finger – hard! Mommy very firmly places Sammy on bathroom floor, wipes bloody finger with tissue, and sighs. Mommy is finally finished putting on her make-up (she looks a bit like a clown from all the above adventures, but has no more time to fix it before having to leave for work). Mommy removes make-up stained suit, removes blood stained blouse, removes torn and bloody panty hose.  Mommy tries to put on new panty hose, but Sammy sees a sinuous beige snake moving around Mommy’s ankles and pounces! Enough – "Putting on Clothes With Mommy" is a whole ‘nother story!!!

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Cast of characters: Sammy – 2 1/2 month old kitten Mommy – MUCH older human

ROTFLMAO !!! Thanks a lot for enlightening my afternoon, I hope my neighbors have not heard my big laughter!! Isabelle

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Cast of characters: Sammy – 2 1/2 month old kitten Mommy – MUCH older human Mommy enters bathroom, sits on stool in front of sink, turns on lighted, magnified make-up mirror and takes out make-up case.  Mommy pulls out liquid foundation make-up, takes off top, pours some make-up into palm of hand, puts down make-up bottle on sink rim, and begins to apply make-up to face. SNIP Enough – "Putting on Clothes With Mommy" is a whole ‘nother story!!!

LOL!!! Classic Kitten activity.  So….you get up at four a.m. to allow enough time to get ready for work, right?? =o) Melissa

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yodeled: Cast of characters: Sammy – 2 1/2 month old kitten Mommy – MUCH older human

(snip) BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Thanks for taking me back to the old days,when Stinky made everything I did in the bathroom an adventure. Theresa My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/

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Cast of characters: Sammy – 2 1/2 month old kitten Mommy – MUCH older human Sammy, who is busy biting Bandit’s tail, finally realizes that Mommy is doing something that does not involve her kitten-ness. SNIP Enough

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Hello, I have a 1999 Honda Accord EX V6 car, in silver.  I have two problems with it and not sure how to go about fixing them: (a) I recently noticed a stone chip on the hood, minor.  So I bought the original Honda touch-up stick and filled it in with two layers, with a 2 day gap between each layer.  Now I have a minor lump which is above the paint level.  Knowing that this "fill in" will never look like the original color, what do I do from here?  It’s been over a week since the last layer or blob was put on. (b) I noticed the front driver’s wheel has a graze or short scrape on it.  I got a quote from AutoBody USA to take out the scrapes and make the wheel basically look like new for $150! (per wheel, although I would only need the front driver wheel looked at) They told me it’ll take three-four days.  Is this normal? Thank you.

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Hello, I have a 1999 Honda Accord EX V6 car, in silver.  I have two problems with it and not sure how to go about fixing them: (a) I recently noticed a stone chip on the hood, minor.  So I bought the original Honda touch-up stick and filled it in with two layers, with a 2 day gap between each layer.  Now I have a minor lump which is above the paint level.  Knowing that this "fill in" will never look like the original color, what do I do from here?  It’s been over a week since the last layer or blob was put on.

Take a look here for an article on "how to" for paint chips <http://www.carcareonline.com/howto_articles.html.  It all depends how particular you are and how many chips you get before you get fed-up with the details.  The important thing is to get them early and seal out corrosion – after about the third or fouth one, it gets boring to try for perfect. (b) I noticed the front driver’s wheel has a graze or short scrape on it.  I got a quote from AutoBody USA to take out the scrapes and make the wheel basically look like new for $150! (per wheel, although I would only need the front driver wheel looked at) They told me it’ll take three-four days.  Is this normal?

$150. is almost the price of fully refurbished exchange wheels which run about $175. from any good tire shop.  For <$150. (shipping additional) you can get new factory wheels.  Check out <http://www.HondaAutomotiveParts.com/.  I’ve never heard of Autobody USA but unless they have some serious, specialized refinishing equipment, in which case it’d basically be a refurbished wheel, I’d pass. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they’re paranoid doesn’t mean you’re not psychotic" – Who, me??

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Take a look here for an article on "how to" for paint chips <http://www.carcareonline.com/howto_articles.html.  It all depends how particular you are and how many chips you get before you get fed-up with the details.  The important thing is to get them early and seal out corrosion – after about the third or fouth one, it gets boring to try for perfect.

Oh, I’m particular enough.  I’ll take the time to get it looking right. Currently, there are three stone chips, but the one I’m referring to is the one that has chipped through to the metal.  So far I’ve used a small square of 2000 grade wet’n'dry with plenty of water and now I have a stone chip, with a black ring around it and matt white where I’ve likely matted the clearcoat.  I think the black ring is the ends of the original paint.  Might need to put more paint in to level it again. (b) I noticed the front driver’s wheel has a graze or short scrape on it. I got a quote from AutoBody USA to take out the scrapes and make the wheel basically look like new for $150! (per wheel, although I would only need the front driver wheel looked at) They told me it’ll take three-four days. Is this normal? $150. is almost the price of fully refurbished exchange wheels which run about $175. from any good tire shop.  For <$150. (shipping additional) you can get new factory wheels.  Check out <http://www.HondaAutomotiveParts.com/.  I’ve never heard of Autobody USA but unless they have some serious, specialized refinishing equipment, in which case it’d basically be a refurbished wheel, I’d pass.

It’s funny, because I thought the same thing.  This is California I’m in.  I wondered if a new wheel may be cheaper than buffing out the old one.  In fact, I could just get steel wheels with wheel trims.  It’ll be a lot cheaper in future if they get scraped – $30 for a new wheel trim. Rgds, George Macdonald

Thanks for your advice.

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"The Conical from US Plastic sits in the kitchen, The bottom dump valve installed…..it dreams of threaded-stem casters…." You trim that down a bit and it could make some kick-ass Haiku…. I only meant to order thirty feet of FDA grade Norprene tubing, but the shipping seemed steep and I decided to see how much more it would be with the pieces mentioned in the "Conical Update" mega-series to which we all look forward. The answer was, almost nothing, so here came the conical.  The all-grain system can now be scaled correctly from one end to the other……

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Let me know if you can come up with a way of making the lid air tight. — George Daher Katy, TX "Life is good, Beer is better, Prost!!!" www.geocities.com/sgdaher/brewery

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Let me know if you can come up with a way of making the lid air tight.

Airtight is pretty easy, the trick is keeping it Sanitary. I would take silicone from DAP marked 100% Silicone Sealant.  It is FDA approved after a 24 hour cure time.  I would use it on the outside rim of the black ring that is left after you remove the lid.  Be sure to smear it wide, it does not like to adhere to polyethelene. For the lid, it has two air/rope hole IIRC, I would use expandable foam in them, but put a piece of tape on the bottom side before adding the foam.  Then after it cures remove the tape and use the silicone again.  That leaves the threads.  For that I would try to use nothing and see if it seals airtight, or I would try a little plastic wrap on the threads to use it like teflon tape. Cheers, Mike

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The container supposedely isn’t made for being air tight.  I had ordered one of these plastic conicals and recieved two of them.  I was sooooo excited until I saw the invoice for both of them.  Them I opened them up and began examing it and noticed the lid and was worried about the plastic scratching and such and found out that it’s not meant to be airtight. So I ended up returning them both yesterday.  Only to have sitting at the door my brand new stainless steel conical I ordered.  I had to do it. Brew on, Mike

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My thoughts almost exactly…. We’ll see if this puppy can fly.  I don’t mind being a test case for the benefit of all mankind.  If it turns out to be a dog, it certainly won’t be a loss that I can’t recover from.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let me know if you can come up with a way of making the lid air tight. Airtight is pretty easy, the trick is keeping it Sanitary. I would take silicone from DAP marked 100% Silicone Sealant.  It is FDA approved after a 24 hour cure time.  I would use it on the outside rim of the black ring that is left after you remove the lid.  Be sure to smear it wide, it does not like to adhere to polyethelene. For the lid, it has two air/rope hole IIRC, I would use expandable foam in them, but put a piece of tape on the bottom side before adding the foam.  Then after it cures remove the tape and use the silicone again.  That leaves the threads.  For that I would try to use nothing and see if it seals airtight, or I would try a little plastic wrap on the threads to use it like teflon tape. Cheers, Mike

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Let me know if you can come up with a way of making the lid air tight.

Just another perspective on keeping the lid airtight.  I spoke with John Thomas (the designer of the Mini-brew conical) after purchasing mine and he said that the only reason that he even designed the optional airtight gasket is that, no matter how much he assured them, his customers were afraid to not have it airtight.  I decided to take his word for it and not purchase the gasket.  It seems that the amount of CO2 produced in the initial fermentation is more than enough to keep the wort protected and, after primary fermentation, the beer is not a very hospitable environment for all the nasties that we fear.   I’ve had 3 batches through mine since X-mas and have not had a problem at all.  I do not even avoid opening the lid to check on it occassionaly.   Don’t get me wrong, if you are concerned about it, by all means, it is not a bad idea to work on getting the lid airtight.  My experience, though, has led me to believe that the money I would have spent on the airtight kit was much better spent on 2-row. thoughts? Rick Gomez — If you ever reach total enlightenment while you’re drinking a beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose. – Jack Handy

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I tend to agree, initially the things full of CO2 and the pressure inside will be greater than outside…… Later, the alcohol content will help…..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let me know if you can come up with a way of making the lid air tight. Just another perspective on keeping the lid airtight.  I spoke with John Thomas (the designer of the Mini-brew conical) after purchasing mine and he said that the only reason that he even designed the optional airtight gasket is that, no matter how much he assured them, his customers were afraid to not have it airtight.  I decided to take his word for it and not purchase the gasket.  It seems that the amount of CO2 produced in the initial fermentation is more than enough to keep the wort protected and, after primary fermentation, the beer is not a very hospitable environment for all the nasties that we fear.   I’ve had 3 batches through mine since X-mas and have not had a problem at all.  I do not even avoid opening the lid to check on it occassionaly. Don’t get me wrong, if you are concerned about it, by all means, it is not a bad idea to work on getting the lid airtight.  My experience, though, has led me to believe that the money I would have spent on the airtight kit was much better spent on 2-row. thoughts? Rick Gomez — If you ever reach total enlightenment while you’re drinking a beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose. – Jack Handy

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Don’t get me wrong, if you are concerned about it, by all means, it is not a bad idea to work on getting the lid airtight.  My experience, though, has led me to believe that the money I would have spent on the airtight kit was much better spent on 2-row. thoughts?

I brew in totally open buckets. Well, I put the lid on loosely till the yeast head forms then remove it totally. Basically it doesn’t matter if the lid’s airtight or not (or even there unless there’s a chance of stuff falling in the fermenter) — Andy Davison

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If you wanted to, you could pull your exhaust hanger and drag your muffler for the same effect.

That would work, but the static is probably preferable. The static straps are disposable, and quiet (by comparison with, sayyyy, a muffler, or even a coathanger or a peice of chain). They are also, as you say, ugly. The last car I put them on was a 1950 Buick that was not (at the time) a Classic Car by any stretch of the imagination. (If I still had it though, oooooooo…..

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Some tires have very little carbon black and do not conduct the charge from the car to the ground very well. The Michelin MXV 4 "green" tires that came with my Accord were notorious for this. The simple fix is a ground strap that is connected to the car body and touches the ground, similar to the chains hanging from tanker trucks. Another brand or model tire may eliminate the problem. Tom & Ray from Cartalk have also suggested using some cream rinse to get rid of the frizzies!

I’ve seen the rather ugly looking metal/rubber grounding straps.  However, I’d think there is a danger of it causing sparks to fly.  I’d think that one wouldn’t drive too fast pulling into a gas station, but you never know. As for the tires, I bought a set of Dunlop SP Sport 9000 tires when they first came out.  They advertised that they had a carbon-black ring down the center of the tire to reduce shocks.  I still got the occasional shock – so I’m skeptical.  They don’t advertise this any more, and they might have taken it out for any number of reasons.  The original Michelin XGT-V4 tires were a constant reason for static buildup.  I could even see the spark and hear the pop sound on a dry enough day. Yu-Ping Wang Berkeley, California

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Some tires have very little carbon black and do not conduct the charge from the car to the ground very well. The Michelin MXV 4 "green" tires that came with my Accord were notorious for this. The simple fix is a ground strap that is connected to the car body and touches the ground, similar to the chains hanging from tanker trucks. Another brand or model tire may eliminate the problem. Tom & Ray from Cartalk have also suggested using some cream rinse to get rid of the frizzies! So what do you do with the cream rinse?

You rinse after shampooing to get rid of that "dry, fly away hair." Probably a good idea to lay off the angora sweaters too Seriously, ground straps do work.

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with my Accord were notorious for this. The simple fix is a ground strap that is connected to the car body and touches the ground, similar to the chains hanging from tanker trucks. Another brand or model tire may eliminate

My girlfriend has been complaining about getting static shocks constantly getting out of my car since the weather turned cold. I was wondering, do those plastic "anti-static strips" they sell at Walmart for like $5 or whatever really do anything?  I’m talking about the semi-rigid black plastic one with a triangular reflector… would something like this *ACTUALLY* reduce the chance of getting zapped getting out of the car?  I’ve always kinda wondered about those things… Thanx! Kevin Sargent 96 Integra Toronto, Canada

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No, actually, back when AM radios were all you had in cars, static buildup would affect the signal. Antistatic straps helped quite a bit. They also got rid of the static charge (surprise).

Interesting.  I never noticed that my car had more radio static on AM when moving then when standing still, but I’ll have to listen more carefully. This is, incidentally, one of the reasons antennas often have a metal ball at the end.  Other than keeping people from poking their eyes out, it discourages corona discharges of static charges from the antenna that would create noise.  Even then, it sometimes happens.  I’ve occasionally heard the "screaming" noise of corona discharges on AM while driving through intense thunderstorms.

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I never noticed that my car had more radio static on AM when moving then when standing still

You won’t notice it on local stations, and modern cars actually generate less of it than they used to anyway. But if you listen to distant AM stations you’ll hear it over a period of driving.

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do those plastic "anti-static strips" they sell at Walmart for like $5 or whatever really do anything?  I’m talking about the semi-rigid black plastic one with a triangular reflector…

I haven’t seen one, but if they are designed to hook to the metal of the car and actually DRAG ON THE GROUND, then yes, they work. (Doesn’t mean she won’t get a shock if she slides across the seat, steps out, and touches the metal of the car, but it shouldn’t be nearly as bad, or nearly as frequent.)

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I got into this habit a few years ago now, but I find that if I grab the top of the door frame BEFORE putting my feet on the ground, I don’t get a shock. I always get out holding the top of the door. Works for me.  :-) — Must… kill… Moe… WHEEE! Must… kill… Moe… WHEEE! ‘99 Integra TypeR  GRRrr!

You hit the nail on the head…  Although you are doing more work than you need to.  If you touch a metal part of the car while getting out, you will ground out the static charge.  I always touch my key to the inner door frame — works like gold. About those grounding straps, they are nothing special.  If you wanted to, you could pull your exhaust hanger and drag your muffler for the same effect.  The case in point here is that ANY piece of ferrous/semi-ferrous metal touching both the chasis and the ground/pavement will work.  Just for giggles, tie a piece of coathanger under your car and drag it…  static gone??  I agree also…  those grounding straps are ugly for sure. Andrew.

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z4cj wrote in part: …if I grab the top of the door frame BEFORE putting my feet on the ground, I

don’t get a shock. I always get out holding the top of the door. Static probably generated by your butt sliding over the upholstery.  Hang on to any grounded metal part of car as you slide out and there will be fewer electrical entertainments. Quent

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Sure, this is why every auto parts store back in the 40’s-60’s stocked two or three different kinds of anti static straps or chains that you could hang off your rear axles to drag on the ground a dissapate static.

I thought people bought those because they thought they looked kewl.

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Some tires have very little carbon black and do not conduct the charge from the car to the ground very well. The Michelin MXV 4 "green" tires that came with my Accord were notorious for this. The simple fix is a ground strap that is connected to the car body and touches the ground, similar to the chains hanging from tanker trucks. Another brand or model tire may eliminate the problem. Tom & Ray from Cartalk have also suggested using some cream rinse to get rid of the frizzies!

So what do you do with the cream rinse? Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they’re paranoid doesn’t mean you’re not psychotic" – Who, me??

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I thought people bought those because they thought they looked kewl.

No, actually, back when AM radios were all you had in cars, static buildup would affect the signal. Antistatic straps helped quite a bit. They also got rid of the static charge (surprise). TRUCKS still use them (well, chains, not straps) a lot, especially when carrying volatiles. Someone mentioned seeing them for sale currently, I personally haven’t seen one for many years. (And they never looked kewl, anyway.)

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Try rubbing a fabric softner sheet on the car seat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My 96 Accord does this to me too, but only in the Winter. In the colder and dryer air, the static charge doesn’t dissipate readily through the air as it does in humid warm air (holds more moisture). I’m not sure what can be done about it. As soon as my foot touches the ground when I get out of the car *zap*.

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Modern auto tires are much less conductive than they used to be

Sure, this is why every auto parts store back in the 40’s-60’s stocked two or three different kinds of anti static straps or chains that you could hang off your rear axles to drag on the ground a dissapate static. Oh, wait, that means just the opposite of what you said, since you can’t find those things anywhere these days….

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My 96 Accord does this to me too, but only in the Winter. In the colder and dryer air, the static charge doesn’t dissipate readily through the air as it does in humid warm air (holds more moisture). I’m not sure what can be done about it. As soon as my foot touches the ground when I get out of the car *zap*.

Touch the keyhole with the key.  You still feel the shock, but it at least gets distributed to three or four fingers.

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That’s why they have the chains that hang on the ground? I never knew… Cool. Jason

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some tires have very little carbon black and do not conduct the charge from the car to the ground very well. The Michelin MXV 4 "green" tires that came with my Accord were notorious for this. The simple fix is a ground strap that is connected to the car body and touches the ground, similar to the chains hanging from tanker trucks. Another brand or model tire may eliminate the problem. Tom & Ray from Cartalk have also suggested using some cream rinse to get rid of the frizzies! Actually, I was discussing these with some people at the other newsgroup.  But I like to hear your opinions regarding this. my girlfriend has a 99 honda accord lx. when you get out of the car and go to close the door, you receive a nasty shock from the door frame. any suggestions would be helpfull ! thanks in advance You know what, I have the same problem.  I’m a walking negative pulse on a world of positve pulse.  Ever since I got this 2001 Civic, I get shock everywhere.  I believe it might be the strong vibration of the car.  As it vibrates at thousands of pulse per second, it rubs your body against the fabric; therefore, creating a electrical pulse.  One time I was checking my car at a gas station and as soon as I touch the trunk, there was actually an electric light.  One guy saw it and he was very amazed. The link below might solve your problem. http://www.HandA-Accessories.com/staticshock.gif And really, there was a lightning flash when I touched the trunk of my Civic.  Maybe I shouldn’t say bad things about my Civic again.  It might have a super sensitive hearing.

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I got into this habit a few years ago now, but I find that if I grab the top of the door frame BEFORE putting my feet on the ground, I don’t get a shock. I always get out holding the top of the door. Works for me.  :-) — Must… kill… Moe… WHEEE! Must… kill… Moe… WHEEE! ‘99 Integra TypeR  GRRrr!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually, I was discussing these with some people at the other newsgroup.  But I like to hear your opinions regarding this. my girlfriend has a 99 honda accord lx. when you get out of the car and go to close the door, you receive a nasty shock from the door frame. any suggestions would be helpfull ! thanks in advance You know what, I have the same problem.  I’m a walking negative pulse on a world of positve pulse.  Ever since I got this 2001 Civic, I get shock everywhere.  I believe it might be the strong vibration of the car.  As it vibrates at thousands of pulse per second, it rubs your body against the fabric; therefore, creating a electrical pulse.  One time I was checking my car at a gas station and as soon as I touch the trunk, there was actually an electric light.  One guy saw it and he was very amazed. The link below might solve your problem. http://www.HandA-Accessories.com/staticshock.gif And really, there was a lightning flash when I touched the trunk of my Civic.  Maybe I shouldn’t say bad things about my Civic again.  It might have a super sensitive hearing.

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My 96 Accord does this to me too, but only in the Winter. In the colder and dryer air, the static charge doesn’t dissipate readily through the air as it does in humid warm air (holds more moisture). I’m not sure what can be done about it. As soon as my foot touches the ground when I get out of the car *zap*. Jason

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually, I was discussing these with some people at the other newsgroup.  But I like to hear your opinions regarding this. my girlfriend has a 99 honda accord lx. when you get out of the car and go to close the door, you receive a nasty shock from the door frame. any suggestions would be helpfull ! thanks in advance You know what, I have the same problem.  I’m a walking negative pulse on a world of positve pulse.  Ever since I got this 2001 Civic, I get shock everywhere.  I believe it might be the strong vibration of the car.  As it vibrates at thousands of pulse per second, it rubs your body against the fabric; therefore, creating a electrical pulse.  One time I was checking my car at a gas station and as soon as I touch the trunk, there was actually an electric light.  One guy saw it and he was very amazed. The link below might solve your problem. http://www.HandA-Accessories.com/staticshock.gif And really, there was a lightning flash when I touched the trunk of my Civic.  Maybe I shouldn’t say bad things about my Civic again.  It might have a super sensitive hearing.

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Some tires have very little carbon black and do not conduct the charge from the car to the ground very well. The Michelin MXV 4 "green" tires that came with my Accord were notorious for this. The simple fix is a ground strap that is connected to the car body and touches the ground, similar to the chains hanging from tanker trucks. Another brand or model tire may eliminate the problem. Tom & Ray from Cartalk have also suggested using some cream rinse to get rid of the frizzies! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually, I was discussing these with some people at the other newsgroup.  But I like to hear your opinions regarding this. my girlfriend has a 99 honda accord lx. when you get out of the car and go to close the door, you receive a nasty shock from the door frame. any suggestions would be helpfull ! thanks in advance You know what, I have the same problem.  I’m a walking negative pulse on a world of positve pulse.  Ever since I got this 2001 Civic, I get shock everywhere.  I believe it might be the strong vibration of the car.  As it vibrates at thousands of pulse per second, it rubs your body against the fabric; therefore, creating a electrical pulse.  One time I was checking my car at a gas station and as soon as I touch the trunk, there was actually an electric light.  One guy saw it and he was very amazed. The link below might solve your problem. http://www.HandA-Accessories.com/staticshock.gif And really, there was a lightning flash when I touched the trunk of my Civic.  Maybe I shouldn’t say bad things about my Civic again.  It might have a super sensitive hearing.

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Note that sparks from static electricity are a source of ignition. Thus always touch something metal on the car with your hand BEFORE inserting the fuel nozzle at the gas pump into the tank.

Now you are scaring me.  Good thing I wasn’t close to the gas pump or touching it because that spark could definitely suitable enough to ignite the gasoline.

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It’s not your polyester suit rubbing on the seats, it’s the fact that modern tires are made using more silica and silicone.   Modern auto tires are much less conductive than they used to be, thus static charges that formerly were discharged through the tires to ground are now staying in the vehicle.  You, as the path to ground, are the discharge path for the static charge. This problem first surfaced when Michelin started putting their ‘Green’ MXV tires on Hondas back in the 90s.  In order to reduce rolling resistance (better mpg), Michelin increased the silica content of the rubber compound significantly.  Then there were lots of reports about toll-booth collectors, parking garage attendants, and others being shocked by Hondas.  Not really Honda’s fault, really the fault of Michelin. Note that sparks from static electricity are a source of ignition. Thus always touch something metal on the car with your hand BEFORE inserting the fuel nozzle at the gas pump into the tank. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Actually, I was discussing these with some people at the other newsgroup.  But I like to hear your opinions regarding this. my girlfriend has a 99 honda accord lx. when you get out of the car and go to close the door, you receive a nasty shock from the door frame. any suggestions would be helpfull ! thanks in advance You know what, I have the same problem.  I’m a walking negative pulse on a world of positve pulse.  Ever since I got this 2001 Civic, I get shock everywhere.  I believe it might be the strong vibration of the car.  As it vibrates at thousands of pulse per second, it rubs your body against the fabric; therefore, creating a electrical pulse.  One time I was checking my car at a gas station and as soon as I touch the trunk, there was actually an electric light.  One guy saw it and he was very amazed. The link below might solve your problem. http://www.HandA-Accessories.com/staticshock.gif And really, there was a lightning flash when I touched the trunk of my Civic.  Maybe I shouldn’t say bad things about my Civic again.  It might have a super sensitive hearing.

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Actually, I was discussing these with some people at the other newsgroup.  But I like to hear your opinions regarding this. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my girlfriend has a 99 honda accord lx. when you get out of the car and go to close the door, you receive a nasty shock from the door frame. any suggestions would be helpfull ! thanks in advance You know what, I have the same problem.  I’m a walking negative pulse on a world of positve pulse.  Ever since I got this 2001 Civic, I get shock everywhere.  I believe it might be the strong vibration of the car.  As it vibrates at thousands of pulse per second, it rubs your body against the fabric; therefore, creating a electrical pulse.  One time I was checking my car at a gas station and as soon as I touch the trunk, there was actually an electric light.  One guy saw it and he was very amazed.

The link below might solve your problem. http://www.HandA-Accessories.com/staticshock.gif And really, there was a lightning flash when I touched the trunk of my Civic.  Maybe I shouldn’t say bad things about my Civic again.  It might have a super sensitive hearing.

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A friend from work came to visit, and met Frank and Nikki for the first time. Now, Frank’s back legs are black about halfway down, then the white starts, and then there is a black ring around each leg, around the white part. "Oh, look!" my friend said, "he is wearing a tuxedo and garters! What a kinky cat you have!" I am waiting for him to dig out the fishnet stockings. Then he can join Dusty in a cabaret number. — Marina

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A friend from work came to visit, and met Frank and Nikki for the first time. Now, Frank’s back legs are black about halfway down, then the white starts, and then there is a black ring around each leg, around the white part. "Oh, look!" my friend said, "he is wearing a tuxedo and garters! What a kinky cat you have!" I am waiting for him to dig out the fishnet stockings. Then he can join Dusty in a cabaret number.

Dusty is looking forward to that.  He really wants to start an all male dressed as females review!  He is thinking of calling it "The Mothership’s Mu-mu wearing Macho Male Extravaganza".  Maybe they can get someone to wear diapers!  :) — TJ and The Flab-U-lous Dust No one suspects the butterfly.

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  Dusty is looking forward to that.  He really wants to start an all male   dressed as females review!  He is thinking of calling it "The   Mothership’s Mu-mu wearing Macho Male Extravaganza".  Maybe they can get   someone to wear diapers!  :) TJ, I tried to think of a response to top this, but I just can’t. This is a brilliant suggestion. Now where can we find mu-mu’s in kitty sizes?? Joyce

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: :   Dusty is looking forward to that.  He really wants to start an all male :   dressed as females review!  He is thinking of calling it "The :   Mothership’s Mu-mu wearing Macho Male Extravaganza".  Maybe they can get :   someone to wear diapers!  :) : : TJ, I tried to think of a response to top this, but I just can’t. This is : a brilliant suggestion. Now where can we find mu-mu’s in kitty sizes?? : : Joyce — Donna, Harmony’s Meowmy here. I can’t help but wonder if a kitty mu-mu would actually be called a mew-mew. ) [ducking tomatoes] Donna

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : :   Dusty is looking forward to that.  He really wants to start an all male :   dressed as females review!  He is thinking of calling it "The :   Mothership’s Mu-mu wearing Macho Male Extravaganza".  Maybe they can get :   someone to wear diapers!  :) : : TJ, I tried to think of a response to top this, but I just can’t. This is : a brilliant suggestion. Now where can we find mu-mu’s in kitty sizes?? : : Joyce — Donna, Harmony’s Meowmy here. I can’t help but wonder if a kitty mu-mu would actually be called a mew-mew. ) [ducking tomatoes]

Oh purrfect!  Hey we have a three-three,  I like the idea of having a mew-mew! — TJ and The Flab-U-lous Dust No one suspects the butterfly.

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Anti Marina! Frank saves those items for when he and I are together…. in private! And I’m not telling you what I wear! *HISSSPIT* And it’s *not* kinky! We are just two mature felines enjoying an adult relationship! So there! Humpf! Making fun of my handsome Frank again! Claw and litterbox offering time again, I think…( gleaming long and sharp claws extended from jet black velvet paws…ready for action) Waffles Paw Ess…. Dear Frank – don’t let her get to you… she doesn’t appreciate your fine points in the way I do. I *know* you are all big boy cat! Have a mowsie. <:3)))))~ Get rid of parasites before sending a reply. Any speliong mistakes aR the result of my cats sitting on the keyboaRRRDdd

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  Dusty is looking forward to that.  He really wants to start an all male   dressed as females review!  He is thinking of calling it "The   Mothership’s Mu-mu wearing Macho Male Extravaganza".  Maybe they can get   someone to wear diapers!  :) TJ, I tried to think of a response to top this, but I just can’t. This is a brilliant suggestion. Now where can we find mu-mu’s in kitty sizes??

Maybe Dave would know? Yowie

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: :   Dusty is looking forward to that.  He really wants to start an all male :   dressed as females review!  He is thinking of calling it "The :   Mothership’s Mu-mu wearing Macho Male Extravaganza".  Maybe they can get :   someone to wear diapers!  :) : : TJ, I tried to think of a response to top this, but I just can’t. This is : a brilliant suggestion. Now where can we find mu-mu’s in kitty sizes?? : : Joyce Donna, Harmony’s Meowmy here. I can’t help but wonder if a kitty mu-mu would actually be called a mew-mew. )

ROTFLMAO!!! Karen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [ducking tomatoes] Donna

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"Oh, look!" my friend said, "he is wearing a tuxedo and garters! What a kinky cat you have!" I am waiting for him to dig out the fishnet stockings. Then he can join Dusty in a cabaret number. Dusty is looking forward to that.  He really wants to start an all male dressed as females review!  He is thinking of calling it "The Mothership’s Mu-mu wearing Macho Male Extravaganza".  Maybe they can get someone to wear diapers!  :)

Frank is already practising his scales. Diapers? Maybe one of the young ‘uns – PC, Calvin? Tabby? Pepperoni? — Marina

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— Donna, Harmony’s Meowmy here. I can’t help but wonder if a kitty mu-mu would actually be called a mew-mew. ) [ducking tomatoes]

ROFL! — Marina

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Anti Marina! Frank saves those items for when he and I are together…. in private! And I’m not telling you what I wear! *HISSSPIT* And it’s *not* kinky! We are just two mature felines enjoying an adult relationship! So there! Humpf! Making fun of my handsome Frank again! Claw and litterbox offering time again, I think…( gleaming long and sharp claws extended from jet black velvet paws…ready for action)

Oooh nooo, not the litterbox revenge again! Please, Waffles, it wasn’t me, it was my friend from work who said that! She is slave to a cat named Sophia, and I’m sure Sophia will be happy to wreak revenge on her in your stead! Waffles Paw Ess…. Dear Frank – don’t let her get to you… she doesn’t appreciate your fine points in the way I do. I *know* you are all big boy cat! Have a mowsie. <:3)))))~

Frank: RAA-OORRW! <chomp chomp Thanks Waffles, my love. Now, where did I put those fishnet stockings? Listen, Waffles. The  hoomin is going out tomorrow and I could get rid of that squirt Nikki (shut her in a closet – she loves that!). We could be all alone without interference. Will you come? And bring you-know-what to go with my garters. Your loverboy, Frankie

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Frank: RAA-OORRW! <chomp chomp Thanks Waffles, my love. Now, where did I put those fishnet stockings? Listen, Waffles. The hoomin is going out tomorrow and I could get rid of that squirt Nikki (shut her in a closet – she loves that!). We could be all alone without interference. Will you come? And bring you-know-what to go with my garters. Your loverboy, Frankie

Oh my Frank, I have gone all weak at my knees… You can do whatever-you- want with my you-know-what, as long as I can do-as-I-please with your garters. Purrs, Waffles Paw Ess – as its your birthday soon (I know these things), if your secretary would email your postal address to me, I’ll get my secretary to put a little something-or-other in the post to you dear heart, sweetie, light of my life, PPPPPUUUURRRRRRR… Get rid of parasites before sending a reply. Any speliong mistakes aR the result of my cats sitting on the keyboaRRRDdd

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Oh my Frank, I have gone all weak at my knees… You can do whatever-you- want with my you-know-what, as long as I can do-as-I-please with your garters. Purrs, Waffles

PUURRRrr! It’s a date then! Yours forever, Frank

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Oh, look!" my friend said, "he is wearing a tuxedo and garters! What a kinky cat you have!" I am waiting for him to dig out the fishnet stockings. Then he can join Dusty in a cabaret number. Dusty is looking forward to that.  He really wants to start an all male dressed as females review!  He is thinking of calling it "The Mothership’s Mu-mu wearing Macho Male Extravaganza".  Maybe they can get someone to wear diapers!  :) Frank is already practising his scales. Diapers? Maybe one of the young ‘uns – PC, Calvin? Tabby? Pepperoni?

or perhaps Dave? — TJ and The Flab-U-lous Dust No one suspects the butterfly.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank: RAA-OORRW! <chomp chomp Thanks Waffles, my love. Now, where did I put those fishnet stockings? Listen, Waffles. The hoomin is going out tomorrow and I could get rid of that squirt Nikki (shut her in a closet – she loves that!). We could be all alone without interference. Will you come? And bring you-know-what to go with my garters. Your loverboy, Frankie Oh my Frank, I have gone all weak at my knees… You can do whatever-you- want with my you-know-what, as long as I can do-as-I-please with your garters. Purrs, Waffles Paw Ess – as its your birthday soon (I know these things), if your secretary would email your postal address to me, I’ll get my secretary to put a little something-or-other in the post to you dear heart, sweetie, light of my life, PPPPPUUUURRRRRRR…

Hey you two, get a room!  This is a family show ya know!  Sheesh. — TJ and The Flab-U-lous Dust No one suspects the butterfly.

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Dusty is looking forward to that.  He really wants to start an all male dressed as females review!  He is thinking of calling it "The Mothership’s Mu-mu wearing Macho Male Extravaganza".  Maybe they can get someone to wear diapers!  :)

Those are two evil cats.  They had me laughing so hard that five cats showed up to make sure I was all right.  I read them the post and Berfert has volunteered to wear a tux and garters as well, Merlin says he’ll wear a mu-mu, and PC says that he’ll dress as Marilyn Monroe.  QC has volunteered to take pictures. Tanada says that she’ll help choreograph the act for the edification of all cat lovers in the group.  Diana says she wants out of this Chicken Sh*t family.  None of them will wear diapers.  They say let the weirdo do it. Pam S. Shaking her head sadly at the escapades of all the cats in here.

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Hey you two, get a room!  This is a family show ya know!  Sheesh.

Huh??? Some humans are just *so* sensitive! Purrs, Waffles (with her you-know-what in paw) Get rid of parasites before sending a reply. Any speliong mistakes aR the result of my cats sitting on the keyboaRRRDdd

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about Re: Kinky Frank – BW?: Dusty is looking forward to that.  He really wants to start an all male dressed as females review!  He is thinking of calling it "The Mothership’s Mu-mu wearing Macho Male Extravaganza".  Maybe they can get someone to wear diapers!  :) Those are two evil cats.  They had me laughing so hard that five cats showed up to make sure I was all right.  I read them the post and Berfert has volunteered to wear a tux and garters as well, Merlin says he’ll wear a mu-mu, and PC says that he’ll dress as Marilyn Monroe.  QC has volunteered to take pictures. Tanada says that she’ll help choreograph the act for the edification of all cat lovers in the group.  Diana says she wants out of this Chicken Sh*t family.  None of them will wear diapers.  They say let the weirdo do it.

I take it Penelope and kittens had no comment. — Seanette Blaylock [make obvious address correction for e-mail] "Either you’re being sarcastic, or your post leaked over to me from a parallel universe, or one or both of us is insane and/or stupid and/or not paying attention and/or lying." Ben, ATSR

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I take it Penelope and kittens had no comment. —

I didn’t ask them, though I suspect Lessa would be game for something.  She’s quite the explorer.  Every evening Rob and I take the kittens into our room and have them on the bed with us while we watch TV for a while.  This lets Penelope have some time to do her own thing and lets us have time with the babies.  We’re good Grandpurrants.  Lessa has explored my body every day now. Tonight she climbed down to my feet and down the front of my nightgown.  Rob had to help me get her out.  She almost made it to my armpit this time.  She’s also climbed up my neck and tried to suckle my earlobe.  Quite the explorer.   We named the tabby, which promises to be brown, Brekke.  Looking at her, I suspect I know who the daddy was.  There’s a little brown tabby male that comes around and sings at the window at QC (who’s more than double his size, but has the same coloring and markings).  She looks at him like he’s stupid and ignores him. Tanada yowls back at him.  She’s not civilized.   The little boys are tentatively named Pinky and Midnight Louie. I couldn’t get out of Pinky (after the cartoon "Pinky and the Brain") but at least I kept Louie from being named "The Brain." Midnight Louie is named after the Carolyn Nelson Douglas series of Midnight Louie, Cat Detective books.  We’ll hope that he grows into the name. Penelope has learned to be a good cat meowmie.  She lets Rob or I have the kittens, but no one else can go near them without her or our permission.  She does let QC play auntie for them.  QC cleans their butts every night.  They are not amused.   Pam S. who’s a fond grandmeow.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Oh, look!" my friend said, "he is wearing a tuxedo and garters! What a kinky cat you have!" I am waiting for him to dig out the fishnet stockings. Then he can join Dusty in a cabaret number. Dusty is looking forward to that.  He really wants to start an all male dressed as females review!  He is thinking of calling it "The Mothership’s Mu-mu wearing Macho Male Extravaganza".  Maybe they can get someone to wear diapers!  :) Frank is already practising his scales. Diapers? Maybe one of the young ‘uns – PC, Calvin? Tabby? Pepperoni? — Marina

I value my life, thank-you-very-much…  Ain’t no way in h**l i’m going to try to put any kind of clothing on that little demon! Besides, he’s wearing dirty socks anyway http://www.zgmek.com/pepperoni/pepper06.html  Just look at those splotches of orange!  I’ve really got to get some updated pics of him – he’s gotten sooooooooo big now! — Lynda K.    www.zgmek.com I have seen the future, and it licks itself clean –Bucky

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Hey you two, get a room!  This is a family show ya know!  Sheesh. — TJ and The Flab-U-lous Dust

That’s what we are trying to do. You’re not jealous, are you, Dust? <thumbs his nose at Dust I got a girlfriend, I got a girlfriend! — Frank

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Dusty is looking forward to that.  He really wants to start an all male   dressed as females review!  He is thinking of calling it "The   Mothership’s Mu-mu wearing Macho Male Extravaganza".  Maybe they can get   someone to wear diapers!  :) TJ, I tried to think of a response to top this, but I just can’t. This is a brilliant suggestion. Now where can we find mu-mu’s in kitty sizes?? Maybe Dave would know? Yowie

How about Shmogg, Yowie, is he in touch with his female side? Would he like to be a member of MMMME? How are his leg-kicking skills? Does he like mew-mews or diapers? — Marina, looking forward to opening night

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I take it Penelope and kittens had no comment. — I didn’t ask them, though I suspect Lessa would be game for something.  She’s quite the explorer.  Every evening Rob and I take the kittens into our room and have them on the bed with us while we watch TV for a while.  This lets Penelope have some time to do her own thing and lets us have time with the babies.  We’re good Grandpurrants.  Lessa has explored my body every day now. Tonight she climbed down to my feet and down the front of my nightgown.  Rob had to help me get her out.  She almost made it to my armpit this time.  She’s also climbed up my neck and tried to suckle my earlobe.  Quite the explorer. We named the tabby, which promises to be brown, Brekke.  Looking at her, I suspect I know who the daddy was.  There’s a little brown tabby male that comes around and sings at the window at QC (who’s more than double his size, but has the same coloring and markings).  She looks at him like he’s stupid and ignores him. Tanada yowls back at him.  She’s not civilized. The little boys are tentatively named Pinky and Midnight Louie. I couldn’t get out of Pinky (after the cartoon "Pinky and the Brain") but at least I kept Louie from being named "The Brain." Midnight Louie is named after the Carolyn Nelson Douglas series of Midnight Louie, Cat Detective books.  We’ll hope that he grows into the name. Penelope has learned to be a good cat meowmie.  She lets Rob or I have the kittens, but no one else can go near them without her or our permission.  She does let QC play auntie for them.  QC cleans their butts every night.  They are not amused. Pam S. who’s a fond grandmeow.

Oo Oo more Pern names! They sound so adorable. Karen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Oh, look!" my friend said, "he is wearing a tuxedo and garters! What a kinky cat you have!" I am waiting for him to dig out the fishnet stockings. Then he can join Dusty in a cabaret number. Dusty is looking forward to that.  He really wants to start an all male dressed as females review!  He is thinking of calling it "The Mothership’s Mu-mu wearing Macho Male Extravaganza".  Maybe they can get someone to wear diapers!  :) Frank is already practising his scales. Diapers? Maybe one of the young ‘uns – PC, Calvin? Tabby? Pepperoni? — Marina I value my life, thank-you-very-much…  Ain’t no way in h**l i’m going to try to put any kind of clothing on that little demon! Besides, he’s wearing dirty socks anyway http://www.zgmek.com/pepperoni/pepper06.html  Just look at those splotches of orange!  I’ve really got to get some updated pics of him – he’s gotten sooooooooo big now! — Lynda K.    www.zgmek.com I have seen the future, and it licks itself clean –Bucky

Lynda, he’s soooo cute!  How old is he? Christine (cat mom to Omar, Midnight, Shetra & Oreo)

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That’s what we are trying to do. You’re not jealous, are you, Dust? <thumbs his nose at Dust I got a girlfriend, I got a girlfriend! — Frank

PPPPPUUUUUURRRRR Forever yours, and here’s a mowsie <:3))))))~ Waffles (believing the way to Frank’s heart is via his stomach) Get rid of parasites before sending a reply. Any speliong mistakes aR the result of my cats sitting on the keyboaRRRDdd

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After SWMBO put a wet bottle on the top of my PM66 and left an ugly black ring on the top, I have been waxing the table saw top and had waxed it about 2 weeks before the last incident.  So, I got to thinking.  Has anyone tried plating a cast iron machine table?  It seems like a thin coating of something corrosion resistant would make the top much less susceptable to rust.  Even if it were gold plated, the amount of gold involved would be trivial. Bob S.

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I once had the foot plate of a sewing machine nickel plated because it was always rusting.  Worked great. Ed

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After SWMBO put a wet bottle on the top of my PM66 and left an ugly black ring on the top, I have been waxing the table saw top and had waxed it about 2 weeks before the last incident.  So, I got to thinking.  Has anyone tried plating a cast iron machine table?  It seems like a thin coating of something corrosion resistant would make the top much less susceptable to rust.  Even if it were gold plated, the amount of gold involved would be trivial. Bob S.

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Contact cement and Formica!?!? mikey. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After SWMBO put a wet bottle on the top of my PM66 and left an ugly black ring on the top, I have been waxing the table saw top and had waxed it about 2 weeks before the last incident.  So, I got to thinking.  Has anyone tried plating a cast iron machine table?  It seems like a thin coating of something corrosion resistant would make the top much less susceptable to rust.  Even if it were gold plated, the amount of gold involved would be trivial. Bob S.

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ROTFLMAO! You definitely get points for creativity.  Ascetically … well, maybe the idea will grow on me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Contact cement and Formica!?!? mikey. After SWMBO put a wet bottle on the top of my PM66 and left an ugly black ring on the top, I have been waxing the table saw top and had waxed it about 2 weeks before the last incident.  So, I got to thinking.  Has anyone tried plating a cast iron machine table?  It seems like a thin coating of something corrosion resistant would make the top much less susceptable to rust.  Even if it were gold plated, the amount of gold involved would be trivial. Bob S.

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That’s what I had in mind.  Though I’d rather not take off the top and schelp it down to a plater.  I wonder if it’s possible to plate it in place. Bob S. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I once had the foot plate of a sewing machine nickel plated because it was always rusting.  Worked great. Ed After SWMBO put a wet bottle on the top of my PM66 and left an ugly black ring on the top, I have been waxing the table saw top and had waxed it about 2 weeks before the last incident.  So, I got to thinking.  Has anyone tried plating a cast iron machine table?  It seems like a thin coating of something corrosion resistant would make the top much less susceptable to rust.  Even if it were gold plated, the amount of gold involved would be trivial. Bob S.

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Hello there,  So, I got to thinking.  Has anyone tried plating a cast iron machine table?  It seems like a thin coating of something corrosion resistant would make the top much less susceptable to rust.  Even if it were gold plated, the amount of gold involved would be trivial.

I have always wondered about gun bluing, but I know nothing about gun bluing. Any gun owners out there care to offer an opinion about how well it would work? Is gun bluing meant for rust protection? How well does it work? Thanks, David. May you live in Interesting Times – Ancient Chinese Curse. Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ. rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/ Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search Crowbar FAQ http://www.shavings.net/CrowBarFAQ.HTM

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I think I’ll just sand blast my PM 66 and have it gold plated.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ROTFLMAO! You definitely get points for creativity.  Ascetically … well, maybe the idea will grow on me. Contact cement and Formica!?!? mikey. After SWMBO put a wet bottle on the top of my PM66 and left an ugly black ring on the top, I have been waxing the table saw top and had waxed it about 2 weeks before the last incident.  So, I got to thinking.  Has anyone tried plating a cast iron machine table?  It seems like a thin coating of something corrosion resistant would make the top much less susceptable to rust.  Even if it were gold plated, the amount of gold involved would be trivial. Bob S.

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Check with some antique cars clubs. At-home plating services are available, and work to a degree. Mitch

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s what I had in mind.  Though I’d rather not take off the top and schelp it down to a plater.  I wonder if it’s possible to plate it in place. Bob S. I once had the foot plate of a sewing machine nickel plated because it was always rusting.  Worked great. Ed After SWMBO put a wet bottle on the top of my PM66 and left an ugly black ring on the top, I have been waxing the table saw top and had waxed it about 2 weeks before the last incident.  So, I got to thinking.  Has anyone tried plating a cast iron machine table?  It seems like a thin coating of something corrosion resistant would make the top much less susceptable to rust.  Even if it were gold plated, the amount of gold involved would be trivial. Bob S.

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Bluing is for primarily for color enhancement, and rust protection secondarily.  I looked it up in my Machinery’s Handbook and found there are many methods involving nasty chemicals and temperatures.  For instance, you can repeatedly coat your saw with a solution of mercury chloride and hydrochloric acid, bake it, steam it, boil it, let it rust, and brush it, till it’s black. Or, you can soak it in molten saltpeter (600 deg F), cool it, soak it in sawdust (which I assume you have), and coat it with oil.  This should give a black-blue color. The best method is to heat your saw to a cherry-red in potassium cyanide (no kidding!), pour off the cyanide, put the saw back on the fire for a while, then boil it in water and oil.  This gives a mottled color. Apparently, though, all of the methods described are for imparting various colors to the steel.  Rust-prevention comes from the final oil treatments. However, by bluing your saw you can create a wonderful heirloom (on the assumption that you are performing the above bluing treatments in the garage).

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These chemical treatments were a later development and were done mainly for speed. The original treatment for gun barrels was browning. Let the surface rust, clean it with steel wool and oil. The steel wool will not remove the brown stain, just the scale. Repeat the process until a uniform brown is obtained. This treatment does offer a little rust protection but very little. I brown all my carbon steel knives with this method. — CW KC7NOD

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bluing is for primarily for color enhancement, and rust protection secondarily.  I looked it up in my Machinery’s Handbook and found there are many methods involving nasty chemicals and temperatures.  For instance, you can repeatedly coat your saw with a solution of mercury chloride and hydrochloric acid, bake it, steam it, boil it, let it rust, and brush it, till it’s black. Or, you can soak it in molten saltpeter (600 deg F), cool it, soak it in sawdust (which I assume you have), and coat it with oil.  This should give a black-blue color. The best method is to heat your saw to a cherry-red in potassium cyanide (no kidding!), pour off the cyanide, put the saw back on the fire for a while, then boil it in water and oil.  This gives a mottled color. Apparently, though, all of the methods described are for imparting various colors to the steel.  Rust-prevention comes from the final oil treatments. However, by bluing your saw you can create a wonderful heirloom (on the assumption that you are performing the above bluing treatments in the garage).

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mitch writes: Check with some antique cars clubs. At-home plating services are available, and work to a degree.

Yeah, but…if the idea is so great, why isn’t it done and bragged about.  I can think of one drawbuck:  plating (chrome) is a 2 step process, first nickel, then chrome.  It builds up, which could screw up some things, such as miter gauge slots, and maybe even the tablesaw blade insert opening.  It also does wear, and will wear a lot and fairly fast where the miter gauge runs on it, and where metal fence elements run on it. And I’ll bet a major objection revolves around cost:  chrome plating is not cheap. Charlie Self http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/resume.html

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I’ve always wondered if a porcelin surface would hold up to all the various punishments a table saw receives. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After SWMBO put a wet bottle on the top of my PM66 and left an ugly black ring on the top, I have been waxing the table saw top and had waxed it about 2 weeks before the last incident.  So, I got to thinking.  Has anyone tried plating a cast iron machine table?  It seems like a thin coating of something corrosion resistant would make the top much less susceptable to rust.  Even if it were gold plated, the amount of gold involved would be trivial. Bob S.

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Two words:  zircon ceramic.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve always wondered if a porcelin surface would hold up to all the various punishments a table saw receives. After SWMBO put a wet bottle on the top of my PM66 and left an ugly black ring on the top, I have been waxing the table saw top and had waxed it about 2 weeks before the last incident.  So, I got to thinking.  Has anyone tried plating a cast iron machine table?  It seems like a thin coating of something corrosion resistant would make the top much less susceptable to rust.  Even if it were gold plated, the amount of gold involved would be trivial. Bob S.

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Bad idea.  All the guns I have ever owned were very prone to rust.  I remember alarmed I was when I discovered my finger print rusted into the barrel of my new .22 cal. single shot rifle I got for Christmas when I was twelve. Robert Lee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello there,  So, I got to thinking.  Has anyone tried plating a cast iron machine table?  It seems like a thin coating of something corrosion resistant would make the top much less susceptable to rust.  Even if it were gold plated, the amount of gold involved would be trivial. I have always wondered about gun bluing, but I know nothing about gun bluing. Any gun owners out there care to offer an opinion about how well it would work? Is gun bluing meant for rust protection? How well does it work? Thanks, David. May you live in Interesting Times – Ancient Chinese Curse. Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ. rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/ Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search Crowbar FAQ http://www.shavings.net/CrowBarFAQ.HTM

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Two words:  zircon ceramic.

…or, to quote Bob Newhart… "cylindric dymacron". Mitch

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Hello there,  So, I got to thinking.  Has anyone tried plating a cast iron machine table?  It seems like a thin coating of something corrosion resistant would make the top much less susceptable to rust.  Even if it were gold plated, the amount of gold involved would be trivial. I have always wondered about gun bluing, but I know nothing about gun bluing. Any gun owners out there care to offer an opinion about how well it would work? Is gun bluing meant for rust protection? How well does it work?

Bluing would wear off pretty quickly if applied to a saw table… wouldn’t put up with the friction of wood sliding over it. Bluing also does little to nothing for rust protection. Teflon or Parkerizing might hold up a bit longer to the wear and would provide better rust protection. Perhaps you just need to use the tools constantly–that would keep them polished! John …wondering if Real Tree could provide camo films big enough for a table saw top…

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I have always wondered about gun bluing, but I know nothing about gun bluing. Any gun owners out there care to offer an opinion about how well it would work? Is gun bluing meant for rust protection? How well does it work?

It might be interesting to know that gun blueing is a controlled rusting process. The rust coat is converted to black oxide by boiling in distilled water. Most attempts to blue cast iron result in a reddish/purple color. This process is a long sweaty job, it would be easier to keep it polished. Hey, we all know more than we want to about gun blueing

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As long as we’re this far OT, a little more on "controlled rusting". The "New River" bridge on US19 in WV(longest single arch bridge in US) was constructed of a specific type steel, which immediately rusted on the surface, but this surface rust seals it to prevent further corrosion, and theoretically, the bridge will never have to be painted. Nahmie

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It might be interesting to know that gun blueing is a controlled rusting process. The rust coat is converted to black oxide by boiling in distilled water. Most attempts to blue cast iron result in a reddish/purple color. This process is a long sweaty job, it would be easier to keep it polished. Hey, we all know more than we want to about gun blueing

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could always try browing as well

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As long as we’re this far OT, a little more on "controlled rusting". The "New River" bridge on US19 in WV(longest single arch bridge in US) was constructed of a specific type steel, which immediately rusted on the surface, but this surface rust seals it to prevent further corrosion, and theoretically, the bridge will never have to be painted. Nahmie

You guy’s bought that one!  ;-) — Jack Novak Buffalo, NY – USA

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US Steel patented that stuff many years ago under the name Corten or COR 10, something like that.  It was advertised as a "self-painting" steel.  The main building of their research center in Monroeville, PA has an exoskeleton of it.  The surface is not very smooth. Scratches show bright metal and then "heal" over quite quickly. ARM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As long as we’re this far OT, a little more on "controlled rusting". The "New River" bridge on US19 in WV(longest single arch bridge in US) was constructed of a specific type steel, which immediately rusted on the surface, but this surface rust seals it to prevent further corrosion, and theoretically, the bridge will never have to be painted. Nahmie <snip It might be interesting to know that gun blueing is a controlled rusting process. The rust coat is converted to black oxide by boiling in distilled water. Most attempts to blue cast iron result in a reddish/purple color. This process is a long sweaty job, it would be easier to keep it polished. Hey, we all know more than we want to about gun blueing

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Bluing wouldn’t cut it, but what about that finish Glock puts on their guns. It’s not pretty, but I’ve never seen it wear. At any rate, DeWalt must have been thinking along these lines when they put a coated finish on their new table saw. Any idea what they used? Rob John Grossbohlin wrote … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bluing would wear off pretty quickly if applied to a saw table… wouldn’t put up with the friction of wood sliding over it. Bluing also does little to nothing for rust protection. Teflon or Parkerizing might hold up a bit longer to the wear and would provide better rust protection.

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It appears that someone has given you only part of the information. What "Leading Lines" has done is to institute a marketing ploy extending the past passenger promotions of all the Carnival Brands to anyone that has ever sailed on any of those brands. Now as far as the 10%, this is because there is usually a 10% discount for past passengers applicable to brochure price at any given time. This is the price that you will be quoted by the Line directly or by the Travel Agent. However, there are usually special promotions or additional discounts in lieu of this PP promo that will result in a lower overall price. The real key to saving is to shop around and then stay vigilent. Cal Ford Lido Deck Cruises says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I’ve been told that Carnival has a deal where you get 10% off when = booking on any of the lines under the Carnival Umbrella as a past = passenger.  So if I book a cruise on HAL, do I get 10 percent off after = the TA quotes me a price or do I have to book directly with HAL, or at = what point does this socalled 10% bonus kick in? CB Content-Type: text/html;    charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN" <HTML<HEAD <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR <STYLE</STYLE </HEAD <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff <DIV<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2I’ve been told that Carnival has a deal = where you=20 get 10% off when booking on any of the lines under the Carnival Umbrella = as a=20 past passenger.&nbsp; So if I book a cruise on HAL, do I get 10 percent = off=20 after the TA quotes me a price or do I have to book directly with HAL, = or at=20 what point does this socalled 10% bonus kick in?</FONT</DIV <DIV&nbsp;</DIV <DIV<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2CB</FONT</DIV</BODY</HTML — Posted from covert.black-ring.iadfw.net [209.196.123.142] via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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I’ve been told that Carnival has a deal where you get 10% off when booking on any of the lines under the Carnival Umbrella as a past passenger.  So if I book a cruise on HAL, do I get 10 percent off after the TA quotes me a price or do I have to book directly with HAL, or at what point does this socalled 10% bonus kick in? CB

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I’ve been told that Carnival has a deal where you get 10% off when booking on any of the lines under the Carnival Umbrella as a past passenger.  So if I book a cruise on HAL, do I get 10 percent off after the TA quotes me a price or do I have to book directly with HAL, or at what point does this socalled 10% bonus kick in?

Hi CB, There is no such discount as "10% off" with all of the Carnival Corporation cruise lines.  Some of the Carnival Corporation cruise lines will allow you to qualify for any past passenger discount that they may be offering.  If you have sailed on any Carnival Corp cruise line in the past then you will qualify.  These discounts vary from company, ship, and date.  Depending on what other special pricing might be available this may not be your best pricing.  Sometimes this is the best deal and sometimes it is not.  Your travel professional is always your best source of pricing.  Going directly to the cruise line will not be less expensive and will at times be more. Any more questions, just ask! Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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I’ve been told that Carnival has a deal where you get 10% off when booking on any of the lines under the Carnival Umbrella as a past passenger.  So if I book a cruise on HAL, do I get 10 percent off after the TA quotes me a price or do I have to book directly with HAL, or at what point does this socalled 10% bonus kick in? CB

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I’ve been told that Carnival has a deal where you get 10% off when booking on any of the lines under the Carnival Umbrella as a past passenger.  So if I book a cruise on HAL, do I get 10 percent off after the TA quotes me a price or do I have to book directly with HAL, or at what point does this socalled 10% bonus kick in?

Hi CB, There is no such discount as "10% off" with all of the Carnival Corporation cruise lines.  Some of the Carnival Corporation cruise lines will allow you to qualify for any past passenger discount that they may be offering.  If you have sailed on any Carnival Corp cruise line in the past then you will qualify.  These discounts vary from company, ship, and date.  Depending on what other special pricing might be available this may not be your best pricing.  Sometimes this is the best deal and sometimes it is not.  Your travel professional is always your best source of pricing.  Going directly to the cruise line will not be less expensive and will at times be more. Any more questions, just ask! Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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It appears that someone has given you only part of the information. What "Leading Lines" has done is to institute a marketing ploy extending the past passenger promotions of all the Carnival Brands to anyone that has ever sailed on any of those brands. Now as far as the 10%, this is because there is usually a 10% discount for past passengers applicable to brochure price at any given time. This is the price that you will be quoted by the Line directly or by the Travel Agent. However, there are usually special promotions or additional discounts in lieu of this PP promo that will result in a lower overall price. The real key to saving is to shop around and then stay vigilent. Cal Ford Lido Deck Cruises says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I’ve been told that Carnival has a deal where you get 10% off when = booking on any of the lines under the Carnival Umbrella as a past = passenger.  So if I book a cruise on HAL, do I get 10 percent off after = the TA quotes me a price or do I have to book directly with HAL, or at = what point does this socalled 10% bonus kick in? CB Content-Type: text/html;    charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN" <HTML<HEAD <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR <STYLE</STYLE </HEAD <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff <DIV<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2I’ve been told that Carnival has a deal = where you=20 get 10% off when booking on any of the lines under the Carnival Umbrella = as a=20 past passenger.&nbsp; So if I book a cruise on HAL, do I get 10 percent = off=20 after the TA quotes me a price or do I have to book directly with HAL, = or at=20 what point does this socalled 10% bonus kick in?</FONT</DIV <DIV&nbsp;</DIV <DIV<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2CB</FONT</DIV</BODY</HTML — Posted from covert.black-ring.iadfw.net [209.196.123.142] via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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I would say if his is a once in a lifetime trip take the train.  I’ve done it once with my parents (we saw moose, which I also see in my front yard, and a black bear) and yes it is long. But some of the scenery is absolutely gorgeous, but then I can say that about most of our scenery, but you will get a different view then from the road.  At times they will parallel each other though. Susan in Anchorage who is headed to Seward this spring to use one of the State’s Public Use cabins – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From Anchorage to Seward, Princess has two options: Grandview Rail which = takes five hours and cost $89 per person vs.  a motorcoach for 3 hours = that cost $ 55 per person. Is the 5 hr. trip long and boring? Any = suggestions from those who have taken either or both? You can book directly with Alaska Rail Road for about $50  (last year’s rate) one way Seward- Anchorage,  I have driven and taken the train- very scenic either way, but I like driving so I can stop where and when I choose. But the Alaska Railroad public service is on an entirely different schedule – southbound in the morning (departs ANC 6:45am, arrives SWD 11:05a), northbound in the evening (Dp. SWD 6:00pm, Ar. ANC 10:25pm). The Princess train operates in conjunction with the ships – northbound in the morning, southbound in the afternoon (the brochure says connecting flight departures from the northbound train must be after 2:30; arrivals connecting to the southbound by 11:00am). I haven’t seen a published schedule but I’d guess about an 8:00am northbound departure and a 1:00pm southbound departure. — Larry Stone http://www.stonejongleux.com/

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From Anchorage to Seward, Princess has two options: Grandview Rail which = takes five hours and cost $89 per person vs.  a motorcoach for 3 hours = that cost $ 55 per person. Is the 5 hr. trip long and boring? Any = suggestions from those who have taken either or both? You can book directly with Alaska Rail Road for about $50  (last year’s rate) one way Seward- Anchorage,  I have driven and taken the train- very scenic either way, but I like driving so I can stop where and when I choose.

But the Alaska Railroad public service is on an entirely different schedule – southbound in the morning (departs ANC 6:45am, arrives SWD 11:05a), northbound in the evening (Dp. SWD 6:00pm, Ar. ANC 10:25pm). The Princess train operates in conjunction with the ships – northbound in the morning, southbound in the afternoon (the brochure says connecting flight departures from the northbound train must be after 2:30; arrivals connecting to the southbound by 11:00am). I haven’t seen a published schedule but I’d guess about an 8:00am northbound departure and a 1:00pm southbound departure. — Larry Stone http://www.stonejongleux.com/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -From Anchorage to Seward, Princess has two options: Grandview Rail which = takes five hours and cost $89 per person vs.  a motorcoach for 3 hours = that cost $ 55 per person. Is the 5 hr. trip long and boring? Any = suggestions from those who have taken either or both? CB Content-Type: text/html;    charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HEAD<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =http-equiv=3DContent-Type<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR<STYLE</STYLE</HEAD<DIVFrom Anchorage to Seward, Princess has =two options:=20Grandview Rail which takes five hours and cost $89 per person vs.  =a=20motorcoach for 3 hours that cost $ 55 per person. Is the 5 hr. trip long =and=20boring? Any suggestions from those who have taken either or =both?</DIV<DIV </DIV<DIVCB</DIV — Posted from covert.black-ring.iadfw.net [209.196.123.142] via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

You can book directly with Alaska Rail Road for about $50  (last year’s rate) one way Seward- Anchorage,  I have driven and taken the train- very scenic either way, but I like driving so I can stop where and when I choose.

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From Anchorage to Seward, Princess has two options: Grandview Rail which takes five hours and cost $89 per person vs.  a motorcoach for 3 hours that cost $ 55 per person. Is the 5 hr. trip long and boring? Any suggestions from those who have taken either or both? CB

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From Anchorage to Seward, Princess has two options: Grandview Rail which takes five hours and cost $89 per person vs.  a motorcoach for 3 hours that cost $ 55 per person. Is the 5 hr. trip long and boring? Any suggestions from those who have taken either or both? CB

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You can book directly with Alaska Rail Road for about $50  (last year’s rate) one way Seward- Anchorage,  I have driven and taken the train- very scenic either way, but I like driving so I can stop where and when I choose.

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From Anchorage to Seward, Princess has two options: Grandview Rail which = takes five hours and cost $89 per person vs.  a motorcoach for 3 hours = that cost $ 55 per person. Is the 5 hr. trip long and boring? Any = suggestions from those who have taken either or both? You can book directly with Alaska Rail Road for about $50  (last year’s rate) one way Seward- Anchorage,  I have driven and taken the train- very scenic either way, but I like driving so I can stop where and when I choose.

But the Alaska Railroad public service is on an entirely different schedule – southbound in the morning (departs ANC 6:45am, arrives SWD 11:05a), northbound in the evening (Dp. SWD 6:00pm, Ar. ANC 10:25pm). The Princess train operates in conjunction with the ships – northbound in the morning, southbound in the afternoon (the brochure says connecting flight departures from the northbound train must be after 2:30; arrivals connecting to the southbound by 11:00am). I haven’t seen a published schedule but I’d guess about an 8:00am northbound departure and a 1:00pm southbound departure. — Larry Stone http://www.stonejongleux.com/

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I would say if his is a once in a lifetime trip take the train.  I’ve done it once with my parents (we saw moose, which I also see in my front yard, and a black bear) and yes it is long. But some of the scenery is absolutely gorgeous, but then I can say that about most of our scenery, but you will get a different view then from the road.  At times they will parallel each other though. Susan in Anchorage who is headed to Seward this spring to use one of the State’s Public Use cabins – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From Anchorage to Seward, Princess has two options: Grandview Rail which = takes five hours and cost $89 per person vs.  a motorcoach for 3 hours = that cost $ 55 per person. Is the 5 hr. trip long and boring? Any = suggestions from those who have taken either or both? You can book directly with Alaska Rail Road for about $50  (last year’s rate) one way Seward- Anchorage,  I have driven and taken the train- very scenic either way, but I like driving so I can stop where and when I choose. But the Alaska Railroad public service is on an entirely different schedule – southbound in the morning (departs ANC 6:45am, arrives SWD 11:05a), northbound in the evening (Dp. SWD 6:00pm, Ar. ANC 10:25pm). The Princess train operates in conjunction with the ships – northbound in the morning, southbound in the afternoon (the brochure says connecting flight departures from the northbound train must be after 2:30; arrivals connecting to the southbound by 11:00am). I haven’t seen a published schedule but I’d guess about an 8:00am northbound departure and a 1:00pm southbound departure. — Larry Stone http://www.stonejongleux.com/

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I was playing alone today [walking] and a cart with 2 fellows came up behind me. I had just hit 2 balls on a par 3 and stepped aside to let them play through. Both hit and went merrily on their way. Both of their balls landed in the general area as mine as none of us hit the green. After they played through, I went to where I thought my balls were and was amazed that they were gone. I was able to find 2 balls but both weren’t the one I started out with. Evidently the guys hit the first thing they saw and never took the time to check if it was their ball or not. This has happened to me before and I was just wondering how many people out there take the time to see if it’s their ball that they are about to put into play. Personally, I check each time whether I’m playing alone or with someone. I really wonder if it is something that’s done or if we just go through the motions and take our chances.

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I was playing alone today [walking] and a cart with 2 fellows came up behind me. I had just hit 2 balls on a par 3 and stepped aside to let them play through. Both hit and went merrily on their way. Both of their balls landed in the general area as mine as none of us hit the green. After they played through, I went to where I thought my balls were and was amazed that they were gone. I was able to find 2 balls but both weren’t the one I started out with. Evidently the guys hit the first thing they saw and never took the time to check if it was their ball or not. This has happened to me before and I was just wondering how many people out there take the time to see if it’s their ball that they are about to put into play. Personally, I check each time whether I’m playing alone or with someone. I really wonder if it is something that’s done or if we just go through the motions and take our chances.

Stuff happens.  One day I (playing single) was following a 4-group of ladies.  Both carts rummaged around the fairway for a while before breaking off to the light rough on the left.  After waiting for a lengthy period, watching the ladies play their second (and third) shots, I teed up and accidentally hit the ball perfectly square, hitting it farther than I ever had on that hole before and dead centre of the fairway.  I hit it past where the ladies had just moved from. Then one cart came back to the middle of the fairway and hit one more ball.  Oh, Oh, I wondered. At that point a twosome joined me from the previous hole and we teamed together.  After they hit their tee shots we started out to our balls. The twosome had both found the rough on the right and went searching. My ball was down the centre but for some reason, I could not find it! My only conclusion is that the one of the ladies mistook my ball for theirs and played it.  I had to pull another ball out of the bag to continue the hole.  My score – bogey 6 because of the lost ball. I usually mark my ball in a distinctive manner.  On opposites sides, I colour in 3 consecutive dimples with red marker.  Makes it so much easier to identify.  But apparently the ladies never bothered to ID the ball they were hitting.  I mark my ball like this because when I first started golfing, I accidentally played other peoples balls.  So to keep from embarrassing myself, I make a point of being colourful.

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I’ve taken to using bright orange nail polish and putting two spots on each ball. I put the spots on opposite sides. I play with a 45 man group and we change foursomes every week.  Since my drives tended to be a little longer than some, I found a lot of guys saying " that’s my ball"!!  After that happened a few times, I took to marking my balls with the orange spots. It’s pretty hard for anyone to claim "my" ball when everyone sees… ( I announce that ALL of my golf balls have orange spots on them! )… the ball lying there obviously marked! — regards,  RichG .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was playing alone today [walking] and a cart with 2 fellows came up behind me. I had just hit 2 balls on a par 3 and stepped aside to let them play through. Both hit and went merrily on their way. Both of their balls landed in the general area as mine as none of us hit the green. After they played through, I went to where I thought my balls were and was amazed that they were gone. I was able to find 2 balls but both weren’t the one I started out with. Evidently the guys hit the first thing they saw and never took the time to check if it was their ball or not. This has happened to me before and I was just wondering how many people out there take the time to see if it’s their ball that they are about to put into play. Personally, I check each time whether I’m playing alone or with someone. I really wonder if it is something that’s done or if we just go through the motions and take our chances.

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I started marking my ball after twice in two weeks a playing partner hit my ball by mistake.  The second time was on the green. I mark a dimple above and below the logo in red.  I do it on both sides, so it’s virtually impossible to look at the ball and not see at least one red dimple.  My playing partners are now trained to recognize the red dots.   Mike I was playing alone today [walking] and a cart with 2 fellows came up behind me. I had just hit 2 balls on a par 3 and stepped aside to let them play through. Both hit and went merrily on their way. Both of their balls landed in the general area as mine as none of us hit the green. After they played through, I went to where I thought my balls were and was amazed that they were gone. I was able to find 2 balls but both weren’t the one I started out with. Evidently the guys hit the first thing they saw and never took the time to check if it was their ball or not. This has happened to me before and I was just wondering how many people out there take the time to see if it’s their ball that they are about to put into play. Personally, I check each time whether I’m playing alone or with someone. I really wonder if it is something that’s done or if we just go through the motions and take our chances.

– Mike Dalecki  RSG-Wisconsin 2001 Info:  http://dalecki.net/rsgwis I do not patronize spammers!  Help keep RSG clean. Expect the same etiquette from me on RSG as on the golf course. RSG Roll Call:  http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/daleckim.htm

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Sure as fire do. Two blue (or one blue, one black) dots, one on either side of the number below the name….. Too many two legged squirrels claiming my little white nut out in the middle of the fairway. But why would they want to play a Maxfli HT90? The damn thing is as soft as a marshmellow! -T-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was playing alone today [walking] and a cart with 2 fellows came up behind me. I had just hit 2 balls on a par 3 and stepped aside to let them play through. Both hit and went merrily on their way. Both of their balls landed in the general area as mine as none of us hit the green. After they played through, I went to where I thought my balls were and was amazed that they were gone. I was able to find 2 balls but both weren’t the one I started out with. Evidently the guys hit the first thing they saw and never took the time to check if it was their ball or not. This has happened to me before and I was just wondering how many people out there take the time to see if it’s their ball that they are about to put into play. Personally, I check each time whether I’m playing alone or with someone. I really wonder if it is something that’s done or if we just go through the motions and take our chances.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stuff happens.  One day I (playing single) was following a 4-group of ladies.  Both carts rummaged around the fairway for a while before breaking off to the light rough on the left.  After waiting for a lengthy period, watching the ladies play their second (and third) shots, I teed up and accidentally hit the ball perfectly square, hitting it farther than I ever had on that hole before and dead centre of the fairway.  I hit it past where the ladies had just moved from. Then one cart came back to the middle of the fairway and hit one more ball.  Oh, Oh, I wondered. At that point a twosome joined me from the previous hole and we teamed together.  After they hit their tee shots we started out to our balls. The twosome had both found the rough on the right and went searching. My ball was down the centre but for some reason, I could not find it! My only conclusion is that the one of the ladies mistook my ball for theirs and played it.  I had to pull another ball out of the bag to continue the hole.  My score – bogey 6 because of the lost ball.

While we know there is a penalty for a lost ball, is there any penalty for having to replace a stolen ball? Whether the ladies intentionally took it, or were just a bit inattentive, your ball clearly wasn’t lost; just stolen. — Eliyahu Rooff www.geocities.com/Area51/Underworld/8096/HomePage.htm RSG Rollcall http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/rooffe.htm

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I was playing alone today [walking] and a cart with 2 fellows came up behind me. I had just hit 2 balls on a par 3 and stepped aside to let them play through. Both hit and went merrily on their way. Both of their balls landed in the general area as mine as none of us hit the green. After they played through, I went to where I thought my balls were and was amazed that they were gone. I was able to find 2 balls but both weren’t the one I started out with. Evidently the guys hit the first thing they saw and never took the time to check if it was their ball or not.

This is the advantage of having one of those dorky ball monogram devices… it’s hard for someone else to lay claim to a ball which is embossed with my full name on both sides. Of course, even this assumes that a player will actually look at a ball before playing it. — Eliyahu Rooff www.geocities.com/Area51/Underworld/8096/HomePage.htm RSG Rollcall http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/rooffe.htm

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I’ve started putting my 3 initials on both sides of the ball, just above the logo, using a black Sharpie.  Unmistakeable.  And I can holler very loudly when necessary to ward off a usurper.  Haven’t had a problem recently.  Did find two of my balls, however, in the used ball barrel at the course! Peter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was playing alone today [walking] and a cart with 2 fellows came up behind me. I had just hit 2 balls on a par 3 and stepped aside to let them play through. Both hit and went merrily on their way. Both of their balls landed in the general area as mine as none of us hit the green. After they played through, I went to where I thought my balls were and was amazed that they were gone. I was able to find 2 balls but both weren’t the one I started out with. Evidently the guys hit the first thing they saw and never took the time to check if it was their ball or not. This has happened to me before and I was just wondering how many people out there take the time to see if it’s their ball that they are about to put into play. Personally, I check each time whether I’m playing alone or with someone. I really wonder if it is something that’s done or if we just go through the motions and take our chances.

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 It also helps when I need to yell down the fairway at some guy playing the wrong fairway that that’s MY ball and he’d better leave it alone…

I did that last week.  It didn’t help. Tim Every ball – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -in my bag is identical except for the numbers printed on them…I know what my ball looks like. I was playing alone today [walking] and a cart with 2 fellows came up behind me. I had just hit 2 balls on a par 3 and stepped aside to let them play through. Both hit and went merrily on their way. Both of their balls landed in the general area as mine as none of us hit the green. After they played through, I went to where I thought my balls were and was amazed that they were gone. I was able to find 2 balls but both weren’t the one I started out with. Evidently the guys hit the first thing they saw and never took the time to check if it was their ball or not. This has happened to me before and I was just wondering how many people out there take the time to see if it’s their ball that they are about to put into play. Personally, I check each time whether I’m playing alone or with someone. I really wonder if it is something that’s done or if we just go through the motions and take our chances. Rick R Charter Member, RSG Clique RSG FAQ:  http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html

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I had to pull another ball out of the bag to continue the hole.  My score – bogey 6 because of the lost ball.

I think you might have short-changed yourself. The ladies in the group in front of you are "outside agencies", since they’re not part of your group. If there is reasonable evidence one of them hit your ball, you can replace your ball on the spot and play it without penalty, under Rule 18-1 Ball Moved, Deflected or Stopped by Outside Agency. If the ball is not immediately recoverable, another ball may be substituted (see Note 1 to Rule 18). If you don’t know the exact spot at which to replace the ball, you play as per Rule 20-3c, which allows you to replace the ball "as near as possible" to the spot. The lady who hit your ball should also incur a two-stroke penalty for hitting a wrong ball. Cheers Colin Wilson RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/wilsonc.htm Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com

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I very rarely have this problem. I can only recall having this happen once. I usually, but not always, mark my ball. I always identify my ball before playing a shot. Rob

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Too many nimrods out there. Not only dont most of them mark their ball, a lot of them dont even know what kind of ball they are playing. "Uh, it was a TopFlite, I think". Duh. I saw a guy hit my ball, so I headed for it. I got there just before him and he called out that it was his ball. I picked it up and said "Are you playing a Revolution?"  He says (very unconvincingly) "Uh…..yeah"  I then said "Gee, are your initials TB also?" Tom

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I did this the other week with a playing partner who had begun to annoy me – whever we were looking for his ball in the rough, he would just play the first ball he found. I had noticed that he had been using a pinnacle gold that day and I really did have the last laugh! When looking in the rough I found his ball and called ‘are you playing a titelist?’ ‘Yes’ he said ‘that’s the one’ ‘Oh well’ I said ’sorry mate this is a pinnacle!!’ ‘better go backl and play again!!’ I don’t think he will try it again!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Too many nimrods out there. Not only dont most of them mark their ball, a lot of them dont even know what kind of ball they are playing. "Uh, it was a TopFlite, I think". Duh. I saw a guy hit my ball, so I headed for it. I got there just before him and he called out that it was his ball. I picked it up and said "Are you playing a Revolution?"  He says (very unconvincingly) "Uh…..yeah"  I then said "Gee, are your initials TB also?" Tom

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Yes I do – especially after playing in the Caribbean.  My ball ID is ugly & obvious [a permanent marker black ring around the ball name].  My ‘black halo’ matches my golf swing… If a ball mark is NOT obvious, the ball might vanish on a crowded course.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was playing alone today [walking] and a cart with 2 fellows came up behind me. I had just hit 2 balls on a par 3 and stepped aside to let them play through. Both hit and went merrily on their way. Both of their balls landed in the general area as mine as none of us hit the green. After they played through, I went to where I thought my balls were and was amazed that they were gone. I was able to find 2 balls but both weren’t the one I started out with. Evidently the guys hit the first thing they saw and never took the time to check if it was their ball or not. This has happened to me before and I was just wondering how many people out there take the time to see if it’s their ball that they are about to put into play. Personally, I check each time whether I’m playing alone or with someone. I really wonder if it is something that’s done or if we just go through the motions and take our chances.

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This is the advantage of having one of those dorky ball monogram devices… it’s hard for someone else to lay claim to a ball which is embossed with my full name on both sides. Of course, even this assumes that a player will actually look at a ball before playing it.

I had one of those dorky ball monogram devices. It was just too much hassle. I took to just putting my initials on the ball – twice – in 3/4 inch high letters with a Sharpie. I have lost track of the times another golfer said "That’s my ball." and I get to respond "Only if your initials are DLH." I suppose someday it will happen, but I’ve yet to get a response other than "Oh, sorry." May your next round be your best round. Dave Holo RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/holod.htm Please: no spam, off topic, or crossposts as explained in the RSG FAQ: at  http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html

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Something that happened in my group during a tournament convinced me to always mark my ball. Two of my playing partners hit their tee shots very close together.  When they got to the balls, they realized they were both playing identical balls.  A Titleist 2, for example.  They had no choice but to declare the balls as lost, and return to the tee, hitting 3.

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I mark my ball but not in a way that is that obvious… a purple dot on top of the logo/name on both sides of the ball. Your post made me laugh… how many times have you asked others you play with what they are playing and they reply "Titleist" or "Top Flite"… I usually laugh to myself and think of saying "Do you know how many brands and models Titleist (or whomever) makes???".  Now if people reply with the same brand I play, I will specifically point out (show them) my ball and my ball mark – it usually helps them be a little more conscious of checking their ball before hitting it for that round.  (Not always but in most cases!). Jen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had one of those dorky ball monogram devices. It was just too much hassle. I took to just putting my initials on the ball – twice – in 3/4 inch high letters with a Sharpie. I have lost track of the times another golfer said "That’s my ball." and I get to respond "Only if your initials are DLH." I suppose someday it will happen, but I’ve yet to get a response other than "Oh, sorry."

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I had to pull another ball out of the bag to continue the hole.  My score – bogey 6 because of the lost ball. I think you might have short-changed yourself.

Hmm, maybe I should read the rules book more often. The ladies in the group in front of you are "outside agencies", since they’re not part of your group. If there is reasonable evidence one of them hit your ball, you can replace your ball on the spot and play it without penalty, under Rule 18-1 Ball Moved, Deflected or Stopped by Outside Agency. If the ball is not immediately recoverable, another ball may be substituted (see Note 1 to Rule 18). If you don’t know the exact spot at which to replace the ball, you play as per Rule 20-3c, which allows you to replace the ball "as near as possible" to the spot.

I did play a new ball from the same spot but I counted the penalty anyways.  Its not often I hit a perfect shot and take a loss on it as well…. What would happen if I lost the ball in a hole by a burrowing animal? Wouldn’t that qualify as a lost ball and incur a penalty? The lady who hit your ball should also incur a two-stroke penalty for hitting a wrong ball.

I wonder if she even noticed later in the round what ball she had. Perhaps when she putted out, but then she didn’t bother returning the ball to me either. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Cheers Colin Wilson RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/wilsonc.htm Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com

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Like Rick, I use a large "D" to mark my ball. I find that the downstroke of the "D" is just enough to cover the word "LADY" on the the Precept MC. Harlan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I certainly do, but it hasn’t stopped my playing partners from hitting it by mistake. Twice within a week I have had others play my ball.  I mark my ball with a large initial R on each side of the ball – 1 above the logo, 1 below.  I can tell my ball from 10 yds. away, but I guess others just don’t pay attention to what they are doing.  How can they miss the large "R" ?  It also helps when I need to yell down the fairway at some guy playing the wrong fairway that that’s MY ball and he’d better leave it alone…Every ball in my bag is identical except for the numbers printed on them…I know what my ball looks like. I was playing alone today [walking] and a cart with 2 fellows came up behind me. I had just hit 2 balls on a par 3 and stepped aside to let them play through. Both hit and went merrily on their way. Both of their balls landed in the general area as mine as none of us hit the green. After they played through, I went to where I thought my balls were and was amazed that they were gone. I was able to find 2 balls but both weren’t the one I started out with. Evidently the guys hit the first thing they saw and never took the time to check if it was their ball or not. This has happened to me before and I was just wondering how many people out there take the time to see if it’s their ball that they are about to put into play. Personally, I check each time whether I’m playing alone or with someone. I really wonder if it is something that’s done or if we just go through the motions and take our chances. Rick R Charter Member, RSG Clique RSG FAQ:  http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html

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Too many nimrods out there. Not only dont most of them mark their ball, a lot of them dont even know what kind of ball they are playing. "Uh, it was a TopFlite, I think". Duh. I saw a guy hit my ball, so I headed for it. I got there just before him and he called out that it was his ball. I picked it up and said "Are you playing a Revolution?"  He says (very unconvincingly) "Uh…..yeah"  I then said "Gee, are your initials TB also?" Tom

    Some of us nimrods lose a lot of balls.  Those who lose balls also find a lot of balls in the process of looking for the ones lost.  Many of those found balls are marked in different ways, and if I’m playing with one I’ve found that day, I certainly haven’t marked it.  And if I’ve lost two balls in the last three swings, I’m also not real concerned with which one I grabbed out of the bag and hit.  But there are some Revolutions in there.     I know, it’s not the right approach under tournament conditions.  But today isn’t a tournament, and I’m just out having fun regardless of the score.  Sorry if I’ve intruded on your "under the USGA rules" game.     And yes, my initials are TB, but I don’t put them on the ball.  Whichever one it was.     … Tom

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RSGers- I cant quote from verse, but the Rules say you must be able to identify your ball.  I go so far as to mark my provision balls differently than my first/possibly lost/OB ball.  Otherwise there is no real way to know which ball with ‘my’ mark was the first ball or the provisional. On Golf — "It is considered poor sportsmanship to pick up lost balls while they are still rolling." –Mark Twain Have fun, The AceyMan tj<dotleverette<atbigfoot<dotcom

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i don’t but my father in law paints green polkadots on his .you can,t miss em.

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Mark your ball before you wave them through.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was playing alone today [walking] and a cart with 2 fellows came up behind me. I had just hit 2 balls on a par 3 and stepped aside to let them play through. Both hit and went merrily on their way. Both of their balls landed in the general area as mine as none of us hit the green. After they played through, I went to where I thought my balls were and was amazed that they were gone. I was able to find 2 balls but both weren’t the one I started out with. Evidently the guys hit the first thing they saw and never took the time to check if it was their ball or not. This has happened to me before and I was just wondering how many people out there take the time to see if it’s their ball that they are about to put into play. Personally, I check each time whether I’m playing alone or with someone. I really wonder if it is something that’s done or if we just go through the motions and take our chances.

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I was playing with a local pro one day and I pushed my drive into the rough of another hole.  As I walked towards my ball I saw a guy lining up to hit a ball. His partner yelled that he didn’t think that was his ball and pointed to a ball in the fairway. I yelled for him to check the ball but he ignored me and hit the ball.  THEN he paid attention to what his partner was saying, the guy looked at me and said "oh, I musta hit your ball".  He then proceded to give me his ball, I told him that I needed MY ball as I was playing for score and asked him to bring it back to me as my group was waiting.  The guy stared at me for a second and then said "That’ll take too, long take mine". I told him again that I needed the ball and I would go with him to get it. I still got a blank stare, then I told him to save his energy I’ll get it myself. I walked up the fairway picked up the ball brought it back and placed it where it was, this guy didn’t move and started to get angry. Luckly the pro walked up so the guy moved on.  Some people are MORONS that shouldn’t come near a golf course or attempt to breed

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stuff happens.  One day I (playing single) was following a 4-group of ladies.  Both carts rummaged around the fairway for a while before breaking off to the light rough on the left.  After waiting for a lengthy period, watching the ladies play their second (and third) shots, I teed up and accidentally hit the ball perfectly square, hitting it farther than I ever had on that hole before and dead centre of the fairway.  I hit it past where the ladies had just moved from. Then one cart came back to the middle of the fairway and hit one more ball.  Oh, Oh, I wondered. At that point a twosome joined me from the previous hole and we teamed together.  After they hit their tee shots we started out to our balls. The twosome had both found the rough on the right and went searching. My ball was down the centre but for some reason, I could not find it! My only conclusion is that the one of the ladies mistook my ball for theirs and played it.  I had to pull another ball out of the bag to continue the hole.  My score – bogey 6 because of the lost ball. I usually mark my ball in a distinctive manner.  On opposites sides, I colour in 3 consecutive dimples with red marker.  Makes it so much easier to identify.  But apparently the ladies never bothered to ID the ball they were hitting.  I mark my ball like this because when I first started golfing, I accidentally played other peoples balls.  So to keep from embarrassing myself, I make a point of being colourful.

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OK, I get it. I am wrong for wanting you to be able to identify the ball that you are playing, and not wanting you to hit my ball and ruin my game. My bad. Tom other Tom wrote…  Some of us nimrods lose a lot of balls.  Those who lose

balls also find a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -lot of balls in the process of looking for the ones lost.  Many of those found balls are marked in different ways, and if I’m playing with one I’ve found that day, I certainly haven’t marked it.  And if I’ve lost two balls in the last three swings, I’m also not real concerned with which one I grabbed out of the bag and hit.  But there are some Revolutions in there.    I know, it’s not the right approach under tournament conditions.  But today isn’t a tournament, and I’m just out having fun regardless of the score. Sorry if I’ve intruded on your "under the USGA rules" game.    And yes, my initials are TB, but I don’t put them on the ball.  Whichever one it was.    … Tom

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Hi Fred, You are right on.  Indeed the tab is at 5 o’clock position.  I compare with my other working 350si and it is at 2-3 o’clock position. Now that we know this is a aperture control mechanism problem, is it mechanical or electrical ??   Is it fixable just by taking it apart and put it back together ??  Since it is broken, may be I can open it up and have some fun.   Have never open a camera before. Thanks.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Take off the lens at look just inside the bayonet mount for a black ring with a tab (called a preset ring). The tab should be at about the 3 o’clock position, if it is more like 4 or 5 o’clock position you have an aperture control mechanism problem and need to send it in. Hi, I have a Minolta 300si and there is problem with it.  It does not matter what lens I have on it, it always make the aperture minimal and thus not-enough to the lens to do the auto-focus. If I look through the viewfinder, it is very dim or too dim to see the subject. Any idea of what I should do to correct this ?? Thanks….

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A mechanical problem, but I don’t recommend that you try it yourself. The whole lens mount/mirror box assembly hsas to be pulled as the part that needs to be repplaced is mounted behind and to the side of the mirror box. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Fred, You are right on.  Indeed the tab is at 5 o’clock position.  I compare with my other working 350si and it is at 2-3 o’clock position. Now that we know this is a aperture control mechanism problem, is it mechanical or electrical ??   Is it fixable just by taking it apart and put it back together ??  Since it is broken, may be I can open it up and have some fun.   Have never open a camera before. Thanks. Take off the lens at look just inside the bayonet mount for a black ring with a tab (called a preset ring). The tab should be at about the 3 o’clock position, if it is more like 4 or 5 o’clock position you have an aperture control mechanism problem and need to send it in. Hi, I have a Minolta 300si and there is problem with it.  It does not matter what lens I have on it, it always make the aperture minimal and thus not-enough to the lens to do the auto-focus. If I look through the viewfinder, it is very dim or too dim to see the subject. Any idea of what I should do to correct this ?? Thanks….

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Fred, Thanks for advice.  May be I just sell it as a part camera at ebay. Thanks again. Benjamin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A mechanical problem, but I don’t recommend that you try it yourself. The whole lens mount/mirror box assembly hsas to be pulled as the part that needs to be repplaced is mounted behind and to the side of the mirror box. Hi Fred, You are right on.  Indeed the tab is at 5 o’clock position.  I compare with my other working 350si and it is at 2-3 o’clock position. Now that we know this is a aperture control mechanism problem, is it mechanical or electrical ??   Is it fixable just by taking it apart and put it back together ??  Since it is broken, may be I can open it up and have some fun.   Have never open a camera before. Thanks. Take off the lens at look just inside the bayonet mount for a black ring with a tab (called a preset ring). The tab should be at about the 3 o’clock position, if it is more like 4 or 5 o’clock position you have an aperture control mechanism problem and need to send it in. Hi, I have a Minolta 300si and there is problem with it.  It does not matter what lens I have on it, it always make the aperture minimal and thus not-enough to the lens to do the auto-focus. If I look through the viewfinder, it is very dim or too dim to see the subject. Any idea of what I should do to correct this ?? Thanks….

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Take off the lens at look just inside the bayonet mount for a black ring with a tab (called a preset ring). The tab should be at about the 3 o’clock position, if it is more like 4 or 5 o’clock position you have an aperture control mechanism problem and need to send it in. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I have a Minolta 300si and there is problem with it.  It does not matter what lens I have on it, it always make the aperture minimal and thus not-enough to the lens to do the auto-focus. If I look through the viewfinder, it is very dim or too dim to see the subject. Any idea of what I should do to correct this ?? Thanks….

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Hi, I have a Minolta 300si and there is problem with it.  It does not matter what lens I have on it, it always make the aperture minimal and thus not-enough to the lens to do the auto-focus. If I look through the viewfinder, it is very dim or too dim to see the subject. Any idea of what I should do to correct this ?? Thanks….

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Hmmm … let’s see, I think we’ll try to re-boot the computer. Try removing the battery, then turning the power switch to "on" for a few seconds. Turn the switch back to "off". Now re-insert the battery, and turn the switch back "on". If ‘no joy’, the you’ll have to return the unit to Minolta.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I have a Minolta 300si and there is problem with it.  It does not matter what lens I have on it, it always make the aperture minimal and thus not-enough to the lens to do the auto-focus. If I look through the viewfinder, it is very dim or too dim to see the subject. Any idea of what I should do to correct this ?? Thanks….

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