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I always wondered how he got back up the cliff seeing that he had to leave it at the bottom!……

That’s a good point! It’s quite easy to just jump off a cliff to go to work, but once work is over, and you want to kick your feet up and relax, how are you going to get up to the top of that cliff again? I don’t like that SUV. I’m not buying it. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I always wondered how he got back up the cliff seeing that he had to leave it at the bottom!…… That’s a good point! It’s quite easy to just jump off a cliff to go to work, but once work is over, and you want to kick your feet up and relax, how are you going to get up to the top of that cliff again? I don’t like that SUV. I’m not buying it. Ian

Mom and I discussed that commercial. We decided it’s all fake, unless the SUV turns into a helicopter that lands on top of the cliff when he comes home from work. But that would negate the necessity of jumping OFF the cliff in the morning. I’m not buying it, either. Piece of fake crap. Deirdre — "There is a good chance that tomorrow will not suck." — Anne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Me neither!!! It must lead one into making faulty decisions! — Ron P If it doesn’t hurt today, it probably will tomorrow. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m not buying it, either. Piece of fake crap.

Oh, I just saw the worst commercial of all. It’s actually kinda cute. It’s this cow and bull talking, and the cow is like, "Who do you love?" and the bull is like, reluctantly, "I love cows." And this goes on for a while, then the cow kicks a football really far, and the ad say, "Good cheese comes from happy cows. Happy cows come from California." So … let me get this straight. These are the *actual* cows that the cheese is coming from? These cows live in California? Well sign me up. Because I was under the impression that good cheese came from people who knew how to make good cheese. This would be the good people of Wisconsin. But no, apparently good cheese comes from cute, computer-animated cows, who can kick a football really far. Is there any logic to "Good cheese comes from happy cows?" Well, possibly in a new-age type of way. You know, good energy in, and it transfers to the cheese. We’ll accept this temporarily. Happy cows come from California. Why? Because they can go to the beach when they feel like it? I just don’t understand. Two completely BS statements, strung together at the end of a cartoon, in order to sell people on the idea that California cheese is superior to Wisconsin cheese. They really have to try harder than that. Like, a lot harder. For starters, show us the *actual* factories, not cartoon representations. Then tell us if the cows are stuck in pens and hooked up to grotesque milking machines, or just walking around eating grass and doin’ it doggy-style. At least then I’d be more likely to believe that the cows are happy. Then we’d have to deal with the concept that happy cows make better cheese. Bring in some new-age experts. Explain to me how positive energy gets transferred into the milk, and that the cheese in California can make a crystal glow, or something. I’m cool with that. I’m into energy and everything. Just be up front about it. Just a stupid commercial. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not buying it, either. Piece of fake crap. Oh, I just saw the worst commercial of all. It’s actually kinda cute. It’s this cow and bull talking, and the cow is like, "Who do you love?" and the bull is like, reluctantly, "I love cows." And this goes on for a while, then the cow kicks a football really far, and the ad say, "Good cheese comes from happy cows. Happy cows come from California." So … let me get this straight. These are the *actual* cows that the cheese is coming from? These cows live in California? Well sign me up. Because I was under the impression that good cheese came from people who knew how to make good cheese. This would be the good people of Wisconsin. But no, apparently good cheese comes from cute, computer-animated cows, who can kick a football really far. Is there any logic to "Good cheese comes from happy cows?" Well, possibly in a new-age type of way. You know, good energy in, and it transfers to the cheese. We’ll accept this temporarily. Happy cows come from California. Why? Because they can go to the beach when they feel like it? I just don’t understand. Two completely BS statements, strung together at the end of a cartoon, in order to sell people on the idea that California cheese is superior to Wisconsin cheese. They really have to try harder than that. Like, a lot harder. For starters, show us the *actual* factories, not cartoon representations. Then tell us if the cows are stuck in pens and hooked up to grotesque milking machines, or just walking around eating grass and doin’ it doggy-style. At least then I’d be more likely to believe that the cows are happy. Then we’d have to deal with the concept that happy cows make better cheese. Bring in some new-age experts. Explain to me how positive energy gets transferred into the milk, and that the cheese in California can make a crystal glow, or something. I’m cool with that. I’m into energy and everything. Just be up front about it. Just a stupid commercial. Ian

Speaking as a (temporary for 22 years so far) Californian, I have no opinion on the comparative virtues of California cheese over Wisconsin cheese, nor on the relative happiness of the dairy cows in each state. But I have to express an overall appreciation of the California Cheese Board’s ad campaign. There have been some hilarious ads. The cows and bulls ("Because cows are the Farm Masters") argument with the football is cute, but is perhaps the lamest one. Of the ads currently running, I like the one where the cows ring the farmer’s doorbell and run away giggling. But that’s just because I want to be one of those cows doing that. As for my cheese consumption habits, I just buy what’s cheapest, and if it came from Tierra del Fuego I wouldn’t care. Therefore, to me, these California Cheese Board commercials are just entertainment to me, and have no effect on my cheese-buying decisions. I’m having a serious deja vu moment here — did we talk about this before? Deirdre — "There is a good chance that tomorrow will not suck." — Anne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m having a serious deja vu moment here — did we talk about this before? I had some serious deja vu a little bit earlier today. Or last night. I don’t remember. It wasn’t that I knew what was going to be said on the TV, but when it was said, I knew that I’d heard it before. Scientists will tell you that that’s some sort of deal with the two halves of our brain, but I think it’s just one more aspect of the reality that we can’t understand, but which is around us all the time. We’ll probably die, and some time later find out about deja vu, and it’ll make sense. But right now, it’s just a mystery. About the cheese ads. Yes, I know they’re cute. It’s just that I need to get some actual facts. I think you’re reacting to them as just entertainment, because you’re too smart to take them seriously, but I think these ad people actually believe there are *some* people who are dumb enough to believe the BS in these ads. There probably are. "Good cheese comes from happy cows. Happy cows come from California." Somewhere there’s a logic professor taping this on his/her VCR, to use in class. It’s doublespeak. But yes, the cows are the farm masters. I do not deny it. Ian —

I have to jump in here and mention the commercial for the SUV. The kids are in the back saying "I like that one." The other says "I like that one." They are looking at fish under water in this SUV. Suddenly the vehicle comes driving out of the ocean. The first time I saw that commercial I told my husband that some people will think that SUV will be able to drive under water. Guess what? In a week, they put a disclaimer at the beginning stating that the vehicle is not intended for under water driving because this is a COMMERCIAL!!!!! I just know some nut walked into a dealership wanting to buy the SUV that can be driven under water. LOL There are a few out there, Ian! You are so right. They are trying to target intelligent people but they forget there are people who are pretty much out of it. Vicki — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I just know some nut walked into a dealership wanting to buy the SUV that can be driven under water. LOL There are a few out there, Ian!

It’s like Dave Chappelle said. The reason all the phone numbers on TV and movies start with 555 is because some nut is actually going to go home from the movie theater and call that number, and be like, "Is Indiana Jones there?" Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, the DeBeers ad campaign, that’s been going on for decades, thought by most in the ad business as the most successful ad campaign in history. yes … but it’s more than an ad campaign; DeBeers has been manipulating the market for years so supply/demand works in their favor … diamonds aren’t nearly as rare as they have had everyone believing Anyway, I hope the right woman comes along, and by "right", I mean one who appreciates a good burrito. As a symbol of engagement. I would be happy to renew my vows at least once a week in that case, maybe even every day, since there’s a great burrito place a block away from me. I’d be like, "Honey, let’s go renew those vows." She’d say, "Ooh, yes. I think they have a new hot sauce." Women rock. a burrito is forever …. S

God, when my husband or son eats a burrito, it seems like forever. :) Vicki — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hell, why ask for a diamond ring when you can have a new car…

Ditto!!! Vicki :) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Yes, the DeBeers ad campaign, that’s been going on for decades, thought by most in the ad business as the most successful ad campaign in history. yes … but it’s more than an ad campaign; DeBeers has been manipulating the market for years so supply/demand works in their favor … diamonds aren’t nearly as rare as they have had everyone believing

DeBeers have been hoarding diamonds and manipulating the mining of diamonds for years in order to keep the prices high. — Ron P If it doesn’t hurt today, it probably will tomorrow. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not buying it, either. Piece of fake crap. Oh, I just saw the worst commercial of all. It’s actually kinda cute. It’s this cow and bull talking, and the cow is like, "Who do you love?" and the bull is like, reluctantly, "I love cows." And this goes on for a while, then the cow kicks a football really far, and the ad say, "Good cheese comes from happy cows. Happy cows come from California." So … let me get this straight. These are the *actual* cows that the cheese is coming from? These cows live in California? Well sign me up. Because I was under the impression that good cheese came from people who knew how to make good cheese. This would be the good people of Wisconsin. But no, apparently good cheese comes from cute, computer-animated cows, who can kick a football really far. Is there any logic to "Good cheese comes from happy cows?" Well, possibly in a new-age type of way. You know, good energy in, and it transfers to the cheese. We’ll accept this temporarily. Happy cows come from California. Why? Because they can go to the beach when they feel like it? I just don’t understand. Two completely BS statements, strung together at the end of a cartoon, in order to sell people on the idea that California cheese is superior to Wisconsin cheese. They really have to try harder than that. Like, a lot harder. For starters, show us the *actual* factories, not cartoon representations. Then tell us if the cows are stuck in pens and hooked up to grotesque milking machines, or just walking around eating grass and doin’ it doggy-style. At least then I’d be more likely to believe that the cows are happy. Then we’d have to deal with the concept that happy cows make better cheese. Bring in some new-age experts. Explain to me how positive energy gets transferred into the milk, and that the cheese in California can make a crystal glow, or something. I’m cool with that. I’m into energy and everything. Just be up front about it. Just a stupid commercial. Ian

There is a commercial running up here advertising chocolate milk and in the background there is a cow dancing on its hind legs. Now, that really must be an example of "mad cow." — Ron P If it doesn’t hurt today, it probably will tomorrow. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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diamonds aren’t nearly as rare as they have had everyone believing

Dang those people. Isn’t that illegal? I mean, I don’t know what law would apply. Like I know these things. But it should be illegal to manipulate the market, or something. I don’t know. No diamond buying today, that’s for sure. I’m sticking with these Dolly Madison mini-crullers. All the fun of crullers, except they’re small, and they don’t taste as good as Dunkin Donuts crullers. But I digress. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Yes, the DeBeers ad campaign, that’s been going on for decades, thought by most in the ad business as the most successful ad campaign in history.

yes … but it’s more than an ad campaign; DeBeers has been manipulating the market for years so supply/demand works in their favor … diamonds aren’t nearly as rare as they have had everyone believing Anyway, I hope the right woman comes along, and by "right", I mean one who appreciates a good burrito. As a symbol of engagement. I would be happy to renew my vows at least once a week in that case, maybe even every day, since there’s a great burrito place a block away from me. I’d be like, "Honey, let’s go renew those vows." She’d say, "Ooh, yes. I think they have a new hot sauce." Women rock.

a burrito is forever …. S — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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(a very cleverly created symbol but no less a symbol)

Yes, the DeBeers ad campaign, that’s been going on for decades, thought by most in the ad business as the most successful ad campaign in history. They literally made the diamond the symbol that it is today. This is what I’ve heard, anyway. Who knows what’s real anymore. Maybe these blue dwarves at my feet, clipping my toenails and painting them in clear polish are really a figment of my imagination. Hey, stop that! I said "clear", not "candy apple red". Freakin’ dwarves. Anyway, I hope the right woman comes along, and by "right", I mean one who appreciates a good burrito. As a symbol of engagement. I would be happy to renew my vows at least once a week in that case, maybe even every day, since there’s a great burrito place a block away from me. I’d be like, "Honey, let’s go renew those vows." She’d say, "Ooh, yes. I think they have a new hot sauce." Women rock. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hell, why ask for a diamond ring when you can have a new car…

(crossing Ian’s name off my dance card) Deirdre — "There is a good chance that tomorrow will not suck." — Anne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Then there’s one for diamonds that says something like, "Give her a diamond and she’ll love you forever" – yeah, right again!!!

Well then why do women ask for diamond rings? Why not ask for something more practical, like steak burritos? I can afford a steak burrito, and it’s a lot more nutritious than a diamond. "Give her a steak burrito, and she’ll love you forever." Hell yeah! I’ll give her two, just for insurance. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hell, why ask for a diamond ring when you can have a new car…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then there’s one for diamonds that says something like, "Give her a diamond and she’ll love you forever" – yeah, right again!!! Well then why do women ask for diamond rings? Why not ask for something more practical, like steak burritos? I can afford a steak burrito, and it’s a lot more nutritious than a diamond. "Give her a steak burrito, and she’ll love you forever." Hell yeah! I’ll give her two, just for insurance. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hell, why ask for a diamond ring when you can have a new car…

Because I can’t afford a new car. I need a fiance who likes to get back to the simpler times in life, you know, when people had no money, like before the advent of currency. I need a stone age wife. I can fashion a wheel out of rock and give it to her as her wedding, er, wheel. She can then skin a buffalo and we can feast on its meat, and I can knock her on the head with my club and drag her around. It would be awesome. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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the right woman will ADORE the burritos, Ian … btw, for most women the diamond thing isn’t about money … it’s a powerful symbol (a very cleverly created symbol but no less a symbol) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So — anybody out there have a pet peeve about a commercial? So much so I was thinking of a daily thread called "Commercial of the Day That Pissed Me Off", or, to be more grammatically correct, "Commerical That Pissed Me Off of the Day". Or something. Can’t remember which of the many it was, though. Typical how ads just sort of end up in a blank spot in your mind. Here’s one. The commercial shows a healthy body, and then shows fat building up on it. The lady then says, "Now doctors can remove that fat with liposuction…" and then goes on to mention that liposuction is hella expensive. So now there’s Liposuctionex! (Or something.) All the benefits of liposuction, in an easy-to-take pill. Proven by clinical studies! Then the fine print pop up on the bottom of the screen when she mentions clinical studies. The fine print mentions the, oh, unimportant fact that it was an eight-week study in which the average weight loss was a little less than four pounds. That’s two pounds a month! Not *exactly* the same as liposuction, in which you lose, say, thirty pounds, in an hour. So, in other words, it’s an herbal weight loss pill that doesn’t really cause you to lose more than a little bit of weight. She even mentions that 80% of the weight lost was body fat, which means 20% wasn’t. So what’s one fifth of four pounds? A little under a pound of muscle lost taking this pill during a two-month period. Wow. What a wonder drug. I think caffeine would do the same thing, and it’s a lot cheaper, and comes in nice things like coffee, chocolate, and pop. I also like the truck commercial with the middle-aged white guy in a "dress casual" suit, standing on stage with a mic singing his square butt off about trucks. The underlying message? It’s not a mid-life crisis, you’re still cool. Why, look at *this* guy. He’s just like you. He’s a total suburban square, but he’s up there singing his butt off about trucks, and that means that if you buy our truck, you’ll be cool once again. Or the commercial where the guy goes to work by jumping off a cliff and parachuting into an SUV, where, on the way to work, he has to drive over rough desert terrain. The message? You may never have a real need for that SUV, but don’t worry, you’ll feel like you will. Kind of hazy message.

I always wondered how he got back up the cliff seeing that he had to leave it at the bottom!……One would have to be some kind of nut job to live like that. — Ron P If it doesn’t hurt today, it probably will tomorrow. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Deirdre, The commercial with the "move comfortably" I saw and thought HUH? – yeah right… Then there’s one for diamonds that says something like, "Give her a diamond and she’ll love you forever" – yeah, right again!!! smiles, Elise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s another one: "If they can move comfortably, you can move comfortably" (‘they’ refers to a troup of highly trained dancers in designer underwear) Um, NOT TRUE. I had intended to make a long list of such idiocies, but I got sick of it after two. Count yourselves lucky. So — anybody out there have a pet peeve about a commercial? Deirdre (who is feeling quite a lot better tonight, thank you everyone) — "Count no day lost in which you waited your turn, took only your share and sought advantage over no one." -Robert Brault — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m having a serious deja vu moment here — did we talk about this before?

I had some serious deja vu a little bit earlier today. Or last night. I don’t remember. It wasn’t that I knew what was going to be said on the TV, but when it was said, I knew that I’d heard it before. Scientists will tell you that that’s some sort of deal with the two halves of our brain, but I think it’s just one more aspect of the reality that we can’t understand, but which is around us all the time. We’ll probably die, and some time later find out about deja vu, and it’ll make sense. But right now, it’s just a mystery. About the cheese ads. Yes, I know they’re cute. It’s just that I need to get some actual facts. I think you’re reacting to them as just entertainment, because you’re too smart to take them seriously, but I think these ad people actually believe there are *some* people who are dumb enough to believe the BS in these ads. There probably are. "Good cheese comes from happy cows. Happy cows come from California." Somewhere there’s a logic professor taping this on his/her VCR, to use in class. It’s doublespeak. But yes, the cows are the farm masters. I do not deny it. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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So — anybody out there have a pet peeve about a commercial?

So much so I was thinking of a daily thread called "Commercial of the Day That Pissed Me Off", or, to be more grammatically correct, "Commerical That Pissed Me Off of the Day". Or something. Can’t remember which of the many it was, though. Typical how ads just sort of end up in a blank spot in your mind. Here’s one. The commercial shows a healthy body, and then shows fat building up on it. The lady then says, "Now doctors can remove that fat with liposuction…" and then goes on to mention that liposuction is hella expensive. So now there’s Liposuctionex! (Or something.) All the benefits of liposuction, in an easy-to-take pill. Proven by clinical studies! Then the fine print pop up on the bottom of the screen when she mentions clinical studies. The fine print mentions the, oh, unimportant fact that it was an eight-week study in which the average weight loss was a little less than four pounds. That’s two pounds a month! Not *exactly* the same as liposuction, in which you lose, say, thirty pounds, in an hour. So, in other words, it’s an herbal weight loss pill that doesn’t really cause you to lose more than a little bit of weight. She even mentions that 80% of the weight lost was body fat, which means 20% wasn’t. So what’s one fifth of four pounds? A little under a pound of muscle lost taking this pill during a two-month period. Wow. What a wonder drug. I think caffeine would do the same thing, and it’s a lot cheaper, and comes in nice things like coffee, chocolate, and pop. I also like the truck commercial with the middle-aged white guy in a "dress casual" suit, standing on stage with a mic singing his square butt off about trucks. The underlying message? It’s not a mid-life crisis, you’re still cool. Why, look at *this* guy. He’s just like you. He’s a total suburban square, but he’s up there singing his butt off about trucks, and that means that if you buy our truck, you’ll be cool once again. Or the commercial where the guy goes to work by jumping off a cliff and parachuting into an SUV, where, on the way to work, he has to drive over rough desert terrain. The message? You may never have a real need for that SUV, but don’t worry, you’ll feel like you will. Kind of hazy message. My favorite car commercial is where this guy goes into Chinatown, into a door in a back alley, and down a sleek corridor lined with Asian babes, into the secret of secret rooms, where a Mitsubishi is circling on a platform, and some Asian dude comes halfway onto camera, and says something really profound, like, "Adjustable leather bucket seats", or something, and the guy gets in and drives off. The commercials ends with them saying, "… if you know where to go." Like you really have to know where to go to get a freakin’ Mitsubishi. They’re in the Yellow Pages, for freak’s sake. It’s like a spell, these commercials. I like what D Boone of the Minutemen had to say about this: "Let the products sell themselves / Fuck advertising, commercial psychology / Psychological methods to sell should be destroyed." Yes, he wrote a song about this. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I heard this on a TV commercial for flooring material: "The right floor makes everybody happy." Think about that for a minute. ::tick tick tick :: Done? It’s a LIE. Sorry, but shouting seems appropriate. Here’s another one: "If they can move comfortably, you can move comfortably" (‘they’ refers to a troup of highly trained dancers in designer underwear) Um, NOT TRUE. I had intended to make a long list of such idiocies, but I got sick of it after two. Count yourselves lucky. So — anybody out there have a pet peeve about a commercial? Deirdre (who is feeling quite a lot better tonight, thank you everyone)

I have a pet peeve that applies to nearly all commercials and that is that they seem to cater solely to those amongst us with a mental age of 3. The worst ones are the hard sell commercials by that guy with a raspy voice….I wouldn’t buy water from that guy if I was dying of thirst. — Ron P If it doesn’t hurt today, it probably will tomorrow. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I heard this on a TV commercial for flooring material: "The right floor makes everybody happy." Think about that for a minute. ::tick tick tick :: Done? It’s a LIE. Sorry, but shouting seems appropriate. Here’s another one: "If they can move comfortably, you can move comfortably" (‘they’ refers to a troup of highly trained dancers in designer underwear) Um, NOT TRUE. I had intended to make a long list of such idiocies, but I got sick of it after two. Count yourselves lucky. So — anybody out there have a pet peeve about a commercial? Deirdre (who is feeling quite a lot better tonight, thank you everyone) — "Count no day lost in which you waited your turn, took only your share and sought advantage over no one." -Robert Brault — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Reverb question

admin — Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Any idea on what I might need to fix if my amp’s reverb will not engage? Regardless of clicking the footswitch, if I move the amp, I hear the standard rumble of reverb. If I tap on the tank, it has an echo sound. But when I play guitar, the guitar does not have any reverb on it.

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Start by checking to see if the send and return cables are properly seated; also, that the footswitch is firmly plugged in. Are you able to find another compatible footswitch? Might be the switch is broken and you are stuck in the off position.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any idea on what I might need to fix if my amp’s reverb will not engage? Regardless of clicking the footswitch, if I move the amp, I hear the standard rumble of reverb. If I tap on the tank, it has an echo sound. But when I play guitar, the guitar does not have any reverb on it. Start by checking to see if the send and return cables are properly seated; also, that the footswitch is firmly plugged in. Are you able to find another compatible footswitch? Might be the switch is broken and you are stuck in the off position.

What year, brand and model of amp? Besides checking the cable and switch connections and conductivity, as Phil suggests, you can eliminate the output of the tank, or the amp’s recovery circuit because you are hearing the "splash" when moving the tank. So… If all above checks out, the next step is to examine the tank’s input and amp’s reverb drive circuit. John King

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Make sure the iput and output cables going to the reverb aren’t swapped. Sometimes the little wires inside the tank that connect the transducers to the in and out jacks break. A simple continuity check at the in and out jacks can usually determine if this is the case

: Any idea on what I might need to fix if my amp’s reverb will not engage? : Regardless of clicking the footswitch, if I move the amp, I hear the : standard rumble of reverb. If I tap on the tank, it has an echo sound. : But when I play guitar, the guitar does not have any reverb on it.

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It is an Ampeg G12, about 1970 (not the blue diamond tolex model, but the rolling stones style). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any idea on what I might need to fix if my amp’s reverb will not engage? Regardless of clicking the footswitch, if I move the amp, I hear the standard rumble of reverb. If I tap on the tank, it has an echo sound. But when I play guitar, the guitar does not have any reverb on it. Start by checking to see if the send and return cables are properly seated; also, that the footswitch is firmly plugged in. Are you able to find another compatible footswitch? Might be the switch is broken and you are stuck in the off position. What year, brand and model of amp? Besides checking the cable and switch connections and conductivity, as Phil suggests, you can eliminate the output of the tank, or the amp’s recovery circuit because you are hearing the "splash" when moving the tank. So… If all above checks out, the next step is to examine the tank’s input and amp’s reverb drive circuit. John King

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It is an Ampeg G12, about 1970 (not the blue diamond tolex model, but the rolling stones style). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What year, brand and model of amp? John King

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It is an Ampeg G12, about 1970 (not the blue diamond tolex model, but the rolling stones style).

Do you have a schematic to work from? If not, I can email the good one done by Joe Piazza. As I said in an earlier post, since you can hear the tank "splash" when moved, the tank output and amp’s recovery circuit are not the problem. The problem lies somewhere before the springs in the tank. Possibly the input transducer, or wires leading to it, the input cable back to the chassis, are both possible suspects. As I recall, I tried swapping the reverb drive tube for one I thought was good, but if you’ve got one around to try, it couldn’t hurt to plug it in just to be sure. Now here’s where I stopped. I suspected that the problem was somewhere in the drive circuit internal to the chassis, and I just wasn’t in a hurry (or the mood) to pull that chassis. If it comes the that, once the chassis is out, the diagnosis may still be an easy fix, but there is no way of knowing that until (if) you get there. Poke around, with the external connections, tubes etc,,, and see what you come up with. If it comes time to pull the chassis and do further diagnostics, are you qualified, at least safety aware enough to be inside a tube amp? Get back, and I’ll help any I can. Maybe others will continue to help too! Thanks and regards, John King

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Yes, taking out the amp is a pain, especially on these Ampegs. I helped a friend with his G22 and it became a domino effect scenario of things to disconnect and unscrew just to look inside the amp (not to mention the screws are not standard nor philips). I’ll try everying I can before doing that but I will most likely have to at some point. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is an Ampeg G12, about 1970 (not the blue diamond tolex model, but the rolling stones style). Do you have a schematic to work from? If not, I can email the good one done by Joe Piazza. As I said in an earlier post, since you can hear the tank "splash" when moved, the tank output and amp’s recovery circuit are not the problem. The problem lies somewhere before the springs in the tank. Possibly the input transducer, or wires leading to it, the input cable back to the chassis, are both possible suspects. As I recall, I tried swapping the reverb drive tube for one I thought was good, but if you’ve got one around to try, it couldn’t hurt to plug it in just to be sure. Now here’s where I stopped. I suspected that the problem was somewhere in the drive circuit internal to the chassis, and I just wasn’t in a hurry (or the mood) to pull that chassis. If it comes the that, once the chassis is out, the diagnosis may still be an easy fix, but there is no way of knowing that until (if) you get there. Poke around, with the external connections, tubes etc,,, and see what you come up with. If it comes time to pull the chassis and do further diagnostics, are you qualified, at least safety aware enough to be inside a tube amp? Get back, and I’ll help any I can. Maybe others will continue to help too! Thanks and regards, John King

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Another thing you can try as a test of whether the problem is in the reverb tank itself or in the electronics of the amp is to simply bypass the tank altogether using a simple phono to phono female adapter or by simply holding the two plugs together so that the center pins are touching each other and also the outer ground rings are touching each other. If you get a large amount of guitar gain when cranking up the reverb intensity control in this "bypass mode" then probably the amp electronics are OK and the problem is in the tank. If you get either no boost of the signal or only a modest boost ( due to parasitical leakage) in bypass mode, then the tank may well be ok and the problem will probably be in the electronics.

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Tony Novacheck

admin — Sat, 03 Sep 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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I’m hoping he’s OK. Last I knew, he lived across the lake from New Orleans… -DC

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I’m hoping he’s OK. Last I knew, he lived across the lake from New Orleans… -DC

Well now, him… I’d be more concerned with. He might be without electricity though, even if he’s not in the city. So not seeing any recent posts from him shouldn’t be considered unusual. Has anyone tried to contact him? Pete — I saved your mechanical man from certain damnation. For his frail, electronic eyes had gazed upon the impenetrable! He was an unwilling beholder to the impossible! –Dr. Orpheus

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I’m hoping he’s OK. Last I knew, he lived across the lake from New Orleans… -DC Well now, him… I’d be more concerned with.

Aye. He might be without electricity though, even if he’s not in the city. So not seeing any recent posts from him shouldn’t be considered unusual. Has anyone tried to contact him?

He’s in my customer database – I’ll try to call him when I get to the shop. LV

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m hoping he’s OK. Last I knew, he lived across the lake from New Orleans… -DC Well now, him… I’d be more concerned with. Aye. He might be without electricity though, even if he’s not in the city.

Undoubtedly. So not seeing any recent posts from him shouldn’t be considered unusual.

He hasn’t post regularly in quite a while anyway, but… Has anyone tried to contact him? He’s in my customer database – I’ll try to call him when I get to the shop. LV

Thx, LV. Let us know what you find out. I had his landline a few years back, but it was lost in a reformat. -DC

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I’m Fine! Thanks for caring! Actually, my residence was in Metairie at the time of the storm, although I was in Dallas for the storm. Currently staying at a hotel in Houma (my company’s office in this area is down here) on my company’s dime until I am able to securely reside in my apartment. My company (Martin Decker/Totco of Varco) actually paid me for the two weeks I was unable to work because of the whole situation, including the week I was in Dallas because I had no place to live temporarily, and they were unable to secure a hotel room closer to work. same, although cell phone contact was spotty at best for the past few weeks … any one heard from Ed? I’m thinking that the flooding may have actually cleaned up his shop a little … –Tony

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m Fine! Thanks for caring! Actually, my residence was in Metairie at the time of the storm, although I was in Dallas for the storm. Currently staying at a hotel in Houma (my company’s office in this area is down here) on my company’s dime until I am able to securely reside in my apartment. My company (Martin Decker/Totco of Varco) actually paid me for the two weeks I was unable to work because of the whole situation, including the week I was in Dallas because I had no place to live temporarily, and they were unable to secure a hotel room closer to work. same, although cell phone contact was spotty at best for the past few weeks … any one heard from Ed? I’m thinking that the flooding may have actually cleaned up his shop a little … –Tony

Pee Wee Morgan posted that algore gave E.D. a plane ride to Chattanooga, or somewhere. Claude

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I’m hoping he’s OK. Last I knew, he lived across the lake from New Orleans… -DC Well now, him… I’d be more concerned with. Aye.

Hear those chains rattling yet, Willie? –E

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Whew! Good to hear you’re OK. Judging by the map I just pulled up, I hope you live on the second floor, and didn’t lose *all* your stuff. The Mrs. went through a hurricane when she was living at Folley Beach, SC. She lost almost everything to water damage, as half the roof was torn off. any one heard from Ed?

Rumor has it that one of his political heroes chartered a plane and he was among the passengers… I’m thinking that the flooding may have actually cleaned up his shop a little … –Tony

That bad, eh? At least he’ll *have* to clean up now. Glad you made it, Tony. -DC

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m Fine! Thanks for caring! Actually, my residence was in Metairie at the time of the storm, although I was in Dallas for the storm. Currently staying at a hotel in Houma (my company’s office in this area is down here) on my company’s dime until I am able to securely reside in my apartment. My company (Martin Decker/Totco of Varco) actually paid me for the two weeks I was unable to work because of the whole situation, including the week I was in Dallas because I had no place to live temporarily, and they were unable to secure a hotel room closer to work. same, although cell phone contact was spotty at best for the past few weeks … any one heard from Ed? I’m thinking that the flooding may have actually cleaned up his shop a little … –Tony

Regards, Rich Koerner, Time Electronics. http://www.timeelect.com Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering, Music & Studio Production, Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

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Wow. That’s a huge relief. Welcome back, glad you’re OK.

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Whew! Good to hear you’re OK. Judging by the map I just pulled up, I hope you live on the second floor

I have a 2 floor apartment, and no water got into the apartment from the flooding. My upstairs sliding glass door blew in, and the roof leaked in a couple of spots, but nothing major or irreplacable got damaged. HOWEVER … , and didn’t lose *all* your stuff.

I lost a lot of my stuff. fuckers took my washer, dryer, a shitload of tools (almost all of them), my entire entertainment system downstairs including DVD’s and CD’s, security system (power was off), coffee maker, Avon gift basket to my wife, a box of splenda, a jewelry box of my wife’s mothers costume jewelry (but they didn’t get my wife’s other jewelry box with an expensive watch, and diamond rings … still trying to figure that one out), a box of Splenda, my motorcycle ramp, a 12 pack of paper towels, some dirty magazines, and some blank DVDR’s and CDR’s The Mrs. went through a hurricane when she was living at Folley Beach, SC. She lost almost everything to water damage, as half the roof was torn off.

I guess I should feel lucky … but somehow I don’t any one heard from Ed? Rumor has it that one of his political heroes chartered a plane and he was among the passengers…

I guess he finally got to meet his hero, Michael Moore-on? I’m thinking that the flooding may have actually cleaned up his shop a little … –Tony That bad, eh? At least he’ll *have* to clean up now.

He’s not in the running for the Good Housekeeping award … but then again, neither am I. Glad you made it, Tony.

Me, too … because that means I can make whoever stole my stuff pay for what they did in one way or another. -DC

SHOOT THE LOOTERS!!!!!!! –T

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Thanks, man! Good to be back. I was kinda pissed when AOhelL stopped carrying the newsgroups, and never really wanted to use another newseader, but I guess it’s time. Besides, that … right around that time frame, this group was really having some major problems with idiots. It looks like things really haven’t changed much with a lot of them still being here. I checked in from time to time, but it was all pretty much the same, and the new job is/was definitely keeping me busy. Not to mention, I get sent out to oil rigs in the Gulf pretty frequently, and for days at a time. Regards, Rich Koerner, Time Electronics. http://www.timeelect.com

I still gotta get you to refret my guitar and take my modded Marshall back to stock (or close). Priorities, though … gotta replace all the stolen stuff first … –T

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Wow. That’s a huge relief. Welcome back, glad you’re OK

Thankyou, thankyou …

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Whew! Good to hear you’re OK. Judging by the map I just pulled up, I hope you live on the second floor I have a 2 floor apartment, and no water got into the apartment from the flooding. My upstairs sliding glass door blew in, and the roof leaked in a couple of spots, but nothing major or irreplacable got damaged. HOWEVER … , and didn’t lose *all* your stuff. I lost a lot of my stuff. fuckers took my washer, dryer, a shitload of tools (almost all of them), my entire entertainment system downstairs including DVD’s and CD’s, security system (power was off), coffee maker, Avon gift basket to my wife, a box of splenda,

Noooooooo! Not the Splenda! a jewelry box of my wife’s mothers costume jewelry (but they didn’t get my wife’s other jewelry box with an expensive watch, and diamond rings … still trying to figure that one out), a box of Splenda,

Those BASTARDS! They took TWO boxes of Splenda? Have they no shame?!! (Maybe that explains why they left the diamonds–they were clearly after your Splenda!) my motorcycle ramp, a 12 pack of paper towels, some dirty magazines,

Well, at least they’re not *totally* stupid. ;) Glad you made it, Tony. Me, too … because that means I can make whoever stole my stuff

Just look for a shifty-eyed asshole with two boxes of Splenda under his arm! Regards, –E P.S. Sorry to make light of your situation. I know it sucks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whew! Good to hear you’re OK. Judging by the map I just pulled up, I hope you live on the second floor I have a 2 floor apartment, and no water got into the apartment from the flooding. My upstairs sliding glass door blew in, and the roof leaked in a couple of spots, but nothing major or irreplacable got damaged. HOWEVER … , and didn’t lose *all* your stuff. I lost a lot of my stuff. fuckers took my washer, dryer, a shitload of tools (almost all of them), my entire entertainment system downstairs including DVD’s and CD’s, security system (power was off), coffee maker, Avon gift basket to my wife, a box of splenda, Noooooooo! Not the Splenda! a jewelry box of my wife’s mothers costume jewelry (but they didn’t get my wife’s other jewelry box with an expensive watch, and diamond rings … still trying to figure that one out), a box of Splenda, Those BASTARDS! They took TWO boxes of Splenda? Have they no shame?!!

Actually, only one … misprint on my part. (Maybe that explains why they left the diamonds–they were clearly after your Splenda!)

I’m trying to figure that one out, too … they wheeled out my Mesa 4 X12 from upstairs closet, but didn’t take it down the stairs … I figure either lazy, weak, or both. my motorcycle ramp, a 12 pack of paper towels, some dirty magazines,

My Voluptuous collection is almost completely gone!!!!! Glad you made it, Tony. Me, too … because that means I can make whoever stole my stuff Just look for a shifty-eyed asshole with two boxes of Splenda under his arm! Regards, –E P.S. Sorry to make light of your situation. I know it sucks.

No, that’s cool … you did it in a lighthearted way, and it’s totally acceptable. I needed a good laugh after all this, anyway. Hasn’t been a lot down here to break the seriousness of the situation. Not to mention, I’m still looking for a good friend of mine who I haven’t heard from since 2 days before the storm, yet. He didn’t have a phone, only a pager, and although the cell phone system has gotten better, I still can’t get through to his pager, and he hasn’t called me either. He also lived in Gentilly, an area that got messed up due to the storm, and I couldn’t reach him before the storm hit, so I’m hoping that means he got out.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Whew! Good to hear you’re OK. Judging by the map I just pulled up, I hope you live on the second floor I have a 2 floor apartment, and no water got into the apartment from the flooding. My upstairs sliding glass door blew in, and the roof leaked in a couple of spots, but nothing major or irreplacable got damaged. HOWEVER … , and didn’t lose *all* your stuff. I lost a lot of my stuff. fuckers took my washer, dryer, a shitload of tools (almost all of them), my entire entertainment system downstairs including DVD’s and CD’s, security system (power was off), coffee maker, Avon gift basket to my wife, a box of splenda, a jewelry box of my wife’s mothers costume jewelry (but they didn’t get my wife’s other jewelry box with an expensive watch, and diamond rings … still trying to figure that one out), a box of Splenda, my motorcycle ramp, a 12 pack of paper towels, some dirty magazines, and some blank DVDR’s and CDR’s

It’s one thing to lose stuff to water damage, but a whole ‘nother ball of wax to have your stuff lifted. That sucks, man! I guess they couldn’t take the fuck books without the paper towels, huh? Assholes!!! I guess I should feel lucky … but somehow I don’t

I don’t blame you. Hard to feel lucky when you’re pissed off. Rumor has it that one of his political heroes chartered a plane and he was among the passengers… I guess he finally got to meet his hero, Michael Moore-on?

I hear Al Gore chartered the plane, but I seriously doubt he was on it. I’m thinking that the flooding may have actually cleaned up his shop a little … –Tony That bad, eh? At least he’ll *have* to clean up now. He’s not in the running for the Good Housekeeping award … but then again, neither am I.

Same here. ;O) Glad you made it, Tony. Me, too … because that means I can make whoever stole my stuff pay for what they did in one way or another.

I hope you get the chance… SHOOT THE LOOTERS!!!!!!!

That’d be wasting good bullets. There’s other ways much more appropriate… Mwah, HA HA! Good luck, and have fun! –T

Wish you the best, Tony. -DC

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Tony, tied to the tracks, said: … I lost a lot of my stuff. fuckers took my washer, dryer, a shitload of tools (almost all of them), my entire entertainment system downstairs including DVD’s and CD’s, security system (power was off), coffee maker, Avon gift basket to my wife, a box of splenda, a jewelry box of my wife’s mothers costume jewelry (but they didn’t get my wife’s other jewelry box with an expensive watch, and diamond rings … still trying to figure that one out), a box of Splenda, my motorcycle ramp, a 12 pack of paper towels, some dirty magazines, and some blank DVDR’s and CDR’s

You mean someone else was there besides me? You can have the bike back, not my style. But I already used the Splenda.

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do you ever?

admin — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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do you ever get the urge to play like a child would? i sometimes get the urge but i dont do it. i dont want my family looking at me strange like. i sometimes get the urge to splash in water and to go out in th rain. i have gone out in the rain when i didnt need to but not the other. do you ever feel like running away? i get that urge more often than not these days. i want to go somewhere new, i think it will make me feel better. though it probably wont. i want to go somewhere where no one thinks i may lose it at any time. that is what my dad thinks, he sometimes still asks me if i am taking my meds. i never skip them. it is annoying. i dont like being asked! it makes me feel like a idiot or something. namely a child which i am not. i want to be somewhere where i am looked at as a adult. rather i feel like one or not. just thinking out loud sorry everyone hugs anita

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pines wrote:

do you ever get the urge to play like a child would? i sometimes get the

i went thru a phase of buying all these toys and taping cartoons that i would have liked as a child. but it just didnt work anymore.

urge but i dont do it. i dont want my family looking at me strange like. i sometimes get the urge to splash in water and to go out in th rain. i have gone out in the rain when i didnt need to but not the other.

sometimes i can tap into that kind of childishness… just forgetting conditioned worries and behaviour and having foolish-fun in the moment.

do you ever feel like running away? i get that urge more often than not

yea , sometimes i wish i was i still lived with my parents so i could run away from them

these days. i want to go somewhere new, i think it will make me feel better. though it probably wont. i want to go somewhere where no one thinks i may lose it at any time. that is what my dad thinks, he sometimes still

well your grown up now, if you feel moving would help you you have the right move. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

asks me if i am taking my meds. i never skip them. it is annoying. i dont like being asked! it makes me feel like a idiot or something. namely a child which i am not. i want to be somewhere where i am looked at as a adult. rather i feel like one or not. just thinking out loud sorry everyone hugs anita

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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:06:49 GMT, "pines"

My father asked me a couple of times too, but I think he just wanted to show me that he cared enough to ask, tho it still did annoy me..lol Nowadays, he sees that I am doing better and trying more to do better, that he had no problem at all with me getting a semi-automatic rifle, so he obviously trusts me which is cool. We now have a small arsenal in the house and its like nothing at all. We go target shooting and stuff, its fun. He still talks to me like I’m a kid sometimes, but I think thats just ingrained in his head or something. I always have run away and always feel like running away. Sometimes it was good to get away, other times it was bad to run. I love to play like a kid, but I can only do it with I’m actually with a kid, otherwise I feel like a weirdo.. Best, Chris

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murana wrote:

urge but i dont do it. i dont want my family looking at me strange like. i sometimes get the urge to splash in water and to go out in th rain. i have gone out in the rain when i didnt need to but not the other. sometimes i can tap into that kind of childishness… just forgetting conditioned worries and behaviour and having foolish-fun in the moment.

I have such thoughts sometimes. Haven’t do anything genuinely childish though. — Young, free and retired

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Lothar Swordfist wrote:

murana wrote: urge but i dont do it. i dont want my family looking at me strange like. i sometimes get the urge to splash in water and to go out in th rain. i have gone out in the rain when i didnt need to but not the other. sometimes i can tap into that kind of childishness… just forgetting conditioned worries and behaviour and having foolish-fun in the moment. I have such thoughts sometimes. Haven’t do anything genuinely childish though.

when ur a child u dont worry about whats real and whats not real and all that crap. its before all these issues, before we even had a "reality" divided off from unreality., just experiencing life. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

— Young, free and retired

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I go out for a nice outing during the day, and in the evening, while eating my dinner in the fast food restaurant….the PA system radio plays music to remind me of how awfully lonely I am. Donna Lewis – Without Love Think of me like I think about you. Give me a sign, show me you care. Am I so far away, in your thoughts not there? Forget what you told me, it’s what didn’t get said. It’s not much to ask, come down off your cloud And with your feet on the ground, say something out loud Without Love … I mean nothing to you. Without Love … broken in two. Without Love … give me some value, some worth. Without Love … no life left on Earth … Blame it on work, buy me some flowers Empty gestures wile away the hours Promises, promises, sealed with a kiss Please acknowledge it’s me that you miss No message recieved no excuses believed, you hurt me so much I’ll never recover Takes time to discover a love like no other CHORUS Without Love … I mean nothing to you. Without Love … Without Love … I mean nothing to you Without Love … I mean nothing … I mean nothing … I mean nothing nothing to you … And I’m broken … I’m broken broken in two … I mean nothing …

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Miniwheats v. frosted miniwheats

admin — Sun, 03 Jul 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Any thoughts??? Frosted miniwheats are cheaper, because I can get them as a bag cereal (I guess they are more of a staple in our society). And……well….I do kinda like the sugar frosting. Am I condemning myself to a lifetime of obesity?? Short circuiting my weight loss efforts?? Any thoughts?? — Glycemic

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any thoughts??? Frosted miniwheats are cheaper, because I can get them as a bag cereal (I guess they are more of a staple in our society). And……well….I do kinda like the sugar frosting. Am I condemning myself to a lifetime of obesity?? Short circuiting my weight loss efforts?? Any thoughts?? I eat the frosted kind myself. I just account for the calories the same way I would any other food, and make sure that at the end of the day (or week, if necessary) I have some sort of calorie deficit going. I’m not on any named diet, and feel free to eat what food item I want. I just have to keep in mind that if I want to lose weight (and I do) then I need to make sure that overall I am eating less than I am burning off. In general I almost agree with this, but I do think there’s something to the idea that simple carbs burn faster, pump up your insulin levels, interfere with fat dumping, an leave you hungrier sooner. I’ve come to the conclusion that this is something that varies from one person to another. I’ve never experienced it, myself, and occasionally ate simple sugars throughout my weight loss and still do.

because of my celiac this was never an option but I consume a fair share if honey. — Diva ***** The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

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I eat the frosted kind myself. I just account for the calories the same way I would any other food, and make sure that at the end of the day (or week, if necessary) I have some sort of calorie deficit going. I’m not on any named diet, and feel free to eat what food item I want. I just have to keep in mind that if I want to lose weight (and I do) then I need to make sure that overall I am eating less than I am burning off. Do you log your food, and make sure that you are eating proper portions? I think that would make a much bigger difference than the type of miniwheats you purchase. — Annie 258/224.5/140 Standing at 5 foot 4. 33.5 pounds lost. 84.5 left to go. Started February/07/05

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What I learned in my dieting experience is to avoid junk sugar calories and go for quality fat & protein calories. I love frosted miniwheats too, but the side panel says it is 1/5th sugar… in your average bowl of 25 pieces, imagine 5 of them are solid white sugar for a true picture of what you are eating.

except I usually have a small bowl and put 18 pieces at most. But hey, I need my morning sugar kick!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any thoughts??? Frosted miniwheats are cheaper, because I can get them as a bag cereal (I guess they are more of a staple in our society). And……well….I do kinda like the sugar frosting. Am I condemning myself to a lifetime of obesity?? Short circuiting my weight loss efforts?? Any thoughts?? I eat the frosted kind myself. I just account for the calories the same way I would any other food, and make sure that at the end of the day (or week, if necessary) I have some sort of calorie deficit going. I’m not on any named diet, and feel free to eat what food item I want. I just have to keep in mind that if I want to lose weight (and I do) then I need to make sure that overall I am eating less than I am burning off.

In general I almost agree with this, but I do think there’s something to the idea that simple carbs burn faster, pump up your insulin levels, interfere with fat dumping, an leave you hungrier sooner. I should do experiments or something… Do you log your food, and make sure that you are eating proper portions? I think that would make a much bigger difference than the type of miniwheats you purchase.

Indeed, without controlling the calories in vs. calories out nobody’s going to be making progress unless they’re on a ketogenic diet or something.

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I’ve come to the conclusion that this is something that varies from one person to another. I’ve never experienced it, myself, and occasionally ate simple sugars throughout my weight loss and still do. (Though I’ve never been into sugary cereal.) But so many people report this experience that I’ve changed my initial impression that it was all baloney . I should do experiments or something…

I’d recommend this. You might as well see what works for you. Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

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Am I condemning myself to a lifetime of obesity??

Maybe… That stuff is… nasty from a sugar standpoint. Short circuiting my weight loss efforts?? Any thoughts??

I’m no medical professional, but maintaining a weight loss trend requires caloric deficits, yet the body will fight these deficits with various complicated hormonal responses that I don’t think anybody really understands. What I learned in my dieting experience is to avoid junk sugar calories and go for quality fat & protein calories. I love frosted miniwheats too, but the side panel says it is 1/5th sugar… in your average bowl of 25 pieces, imagine 5 of them are solid white sugar for a true picture of what you are eating. In the end I went with Cheerios instead, but Cheerios is no health cereal (it has a similar level of carbs: 40g out of a 60g serving) but fwiw has a 2x better vitamin profile, only has 2g of sugar in a 60g serving, and tastes pretty good with a scoop of vanilla protein powder (better than miniwheats!). hmm, from a "carb" blood-sugar standpoint I do wonder what the difference is between 60g of Cheerios and 60g of miniwheats. Both are ~200kcal and both are mostly carbs. Theoretically the ‘whole oats’ of Cheerios would slow the absorption of glucose, but the 2nd ingredient on Cheerios is modified corn starch and the 3rd is corn starch, and of course starch is just glucose arranged like this: g/g/g/g/g/g, so in the end your blood is getting a lot of glucose from either. Anyhoo, in my diet I found the ~350kcal I got from my morning cheerios + protein powder was enough to get me started and my 500kcal lunch, leaving me about 1000kcal for late afternoon/evening feedings (I would put in a good hour or two on the bike most days to give me more caloric headroom).

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I think it depends on your overweight problem. If you’re close to normal weight, then eating frosted mini-wheats several times a week is not a problem.

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I’ll second that. It seems obvious. Refined sugars are the enemy. They should be used with great moderation, or not at all. Heidi 262/201/200 Losing 100lbs. 1 lb. at a time. Start 10/24/04

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Sorry to joke, didn’t realize how serious that is. But it sounds like it is gluten that is the problem more than sugar, for celiac disease. Did I read that right, or do you have a variant of the disease that prevents you from eating sugar, too?? — Glycemic

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Thank you all, for your responses!! I went shopping last night (at Winco, for those familiar) and I was at first dismayed to find Shredded Wheat at over $3 for about 15 oz. But I kept searching and found spoon size Shredded Wheat at $2 for a little more than a lb. Quite a difference in price. I also purchased low fat soy milk and have now enjoyed a delicious bowl of SSSW and and soy milk. Easy to make, nutritious, not too quickly digestible (I think). It is not that I am impoverished. It is just that I just can’t stand to feel cheated because I have spent so much on mere wheat that has been shredded up. The soy milk was less than a buck a quart. What a deal!! Tim 252/252/170 Started June 28, 2005 — Glycemic

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Any thoughts??? Frosted miniwheats are cheaper, because I can get them as a bag cereal (I guess they are more of a staple in our society).

And……well….I do kinda like the sugar frosting. Am I condemning

myself to a lifetime of obesity?? Short circuiting my weight loss

efforts?? Any thoughts?? — Glycemic Why would you want a sugar frosted cereal? It may be a "staple" in North American diets but IMO it is not the best breakfast choice. If you want cereal, slect one that does not have refined sugar and use fresh fruit to liven it up. — Diva ****** There is no substitute for the right food

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Is a celiac a sort of pet that eats up sweet food before the pet owner can get to them?? Is it a type of dog?? Couldn’t you train it not to break into your cupboards??

– Glycemic Are you a troll, a nut case or just plain ignorant? Look it up on Google. if it’s a pet than it is a Pit Bull as when it bites, it hurts.

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Is a celiac a sort of pet that eats up sweet food before the pet owner can get to them?? Is it a type of dog?? Couldn’t you train it not to break into your cupboards?? — Glycemic

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Thank you all, for your responses!! I went shopping last night (at Winco, for those familiar)

Get the bulk smoked almonds at Winco. They’re blue-diamond brand, my favorite, and 30 almonds make a great snack in the afternoon with a big glass of water. I also purchased low fat soy milk

see my addendum about low-fat dieting in the other thread.

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see my addendum about low-fat dieting in the other thread.

I’m low fat dieting, and it is working great for me. Sorry, but I don’t really have the time to google your old posts to try to find out what you are talking about here. — Annie 258/224.5/140 Standing at 5 foot 4. 33.5 pounds lost. 84.5 left to go. Started February/07/05

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– Glycemic To understand that it is not only sugar but soy, corn, grain, potatoes, and rice go to: www.breakingthevisiouscycle.info — Diva ***** The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

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I’m low fat dieting, and it is working great for me. Sorry, but I don’t really have the time to google your old posts to try to find out what you are talking about here.

obviously, whatever works, works. I just found I didn’t have to cut out the "fat" to lose weight, since if you count the calories your body will put them to good use. I also think that fats may be better than carbs when eating a calorie limited diet, up to around a 30-30-30 balance between fats, carbs, and protein, since they give your stomach something to work on and don’t drive up blood sugars so much. Plus I also think the body might stay out of "starvation mode" better if you eat enough fats. I have absolutely no basis for this belief but I’d like to think it’s true

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I just found I didn’t have to cut out the "fat" to lose weight, since if you count the calories your body will put them to good use.

I’m not cutting out fat either. I’m really low calorie dieting, and since fat is calorie heavy I find that I am choosing foods that are lower in, and thus tending to be lower calorie. Yeah, I know some low or no fat products can be pretty high calorie too! I also think that fats may be better than carbs when eating a calorie limited diet, up to around a 30-30-30 balance between fats, carbs, and protein, since they give your stomach something to work on and don’t drive up blood sugars so much.

I can definitely see that working for some people. I’m actually pretty close to that, I think. According to Fitday, my daily f-c-p ratio averages about 20-60-20. Ok, the carb count is higher than your ratio (which only adds up to 90%, which threw me at first). But the fat and protein isn’t that much lower. Like you say, whatever works, works. Plus I also think the body might stay out of "starvation mode" better if you eat enough fats. I have absolutely no basis for this belief but I’d like to think it’s true

It could be true, I suppose. I have no basis to believe that it isn’t! — Annie 258/224.5/140 Standing at 5 foot 4. 33.5 pounds lost. 84.5 left to go. Started February/07/05

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Am I condemning myself to a lifetime of obesity?? Maybe… That stuff is… nasty from a sugar standpoint. Short circuiting my weight loss efforts?? Any thoughts?? I’m no medical professional, but maintaining a weight loss trend requires caloric deficits, yet the body will fight these deficits with various complicated hormonal responses that I don’t think anybody really understands. What I learned in my dieting experience is to avoid junk sugar calories and go for quality fat & protein calories. I love frosted miniwheats too, but the side panel says it is 1/5th sugar… in your average bowl of 25 pieces, imagine 5 of them are solid white sugar for a true picture of what you are eating. In the end I went with Cheerios instead, but Cheerios is no health cereal (it has a similar level of carbs: 40g out of a 60g serving) but fwiw has a 2x better vitamin profile, only has 2g of sugar in a 60g serving, and tastes pretty good with a scoop of vanilla protein powder (better than miniwheats!).

I think that cheerios (74) have a higher GI than mini-wheats (58) which makes sense since they are lower in fiber. Cheerios has 3g of fiber per cup (110 cals) and Frosted Minis have 6 per serving (200 cals). (as you said, if you look at it by 2 oz serving, though, they are very similar in calories and fiber content). At any rate, whatever works for you! ;-) — jmk in NC

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DH eats the frosted kind. His rule of thumb is that it needs to not be unreasonable calorie wise and that it needs at least 5g/fiber per serving (or he gets a snack attack). His WOE is just moderate everything and his weight fine. I’m the one in the household that needed intervention regarding weight, although since I changed my WOE and I do the cooking and grocery shopping, his has more or less gravitated in the direction that I have gone (he is on his own for lunch but usually brings leftovers from dinner, etc.). He has gone down in waist size and lost a few pounds during my journey and I feel that he is on track — not that he was OFF track before but having a greater awareness is a good thing, I think. — jmk in NC

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Accidentally Engaged????????????

admin — Sun, 03 Apr 2005 00:00:00 +0000

Question:

I almost forgot: – Making fun of Pumpkinhead for having testicular cancer. : – )

Virgin, ballboi? (Or is that ONE BALL boi?

http://tinyurl.com/4gkpe

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Ms Pnoopie Pnats wrote:

Lobsterboy wrote: "Rainier"

[snip]

Definetly, you’re not aware where you’re going. This is not gonna be another of your games, there’s real danger here. yes this isnt a game.although to plenty think it is. if you are really going to do this, both of you go to pre marital counseling. I don’t think marriage means losing freedom if you pick the right person who allows you to be yourself and vice versa.

If anyone needs pre-marital counseling it’s them (assuming it’s not more Usenet performance art). And I’m not trying to be mean. It’s just that it’s obvious that they need top get some stuff sorted out and in the open. August Pamplona — The waterfall in Java is not wet. – omegazero2003 on m.f.w. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dolores wrote:

Rainier wrote: Here’s the abbreviated story. I punk my gf for our three month anniversary last Saturday night. We’re sitting on the zebra sofa at our favourite pub when I begin the set up. I tell her my parents were already married at this point in their relationship and that I inherited my father’s impetuousness. Then I unleash a series of double entendres and sheepishly admit I’m really nervous because I had never done this kind of thing before. Finally I bend down on one knee, tell her to close her eyes and put a ring box in her hand. She opens the box and finds a . . . AA Battery Inside! After three months I finally found a way to leave my extrovert gf speechless. After several moments she pieces the puzzle together. "You bought me a vibrator?" Indeed I did! She found the joke very amusing and promised to tell all her friends. We try the rabbit vibrator out later in the evening and it was well worth the $40 I spent on it. Afterwards she whispers in my ear, "I would have said yes." Now am I the speechless one. I always assumed my gf was an aspiring Ab Fab girl who would wind up as an inebriated, promiscous, middle-aged tart who wore too much make-up and bragged incessantly about her college glory days. Essentially the only difference between her current self and the 40 year-old version would be wrinkles, sagging tits and an extra stone or two on the frame. She never struck me as the marrying kind. Anyways we engage in some innocent pillow talk about where we’re going to live once we get married. Then I take her home, we play phone tag all week and I finally talk to her yesterday. She is all excited. And guess what? That innocent pillow talk was not so innocent after all. She told all her friends we’re engaged and getting married! I didn’t even propose but I already have two guys fighting to be my best man. It gets even more bizzarre. Today she calls me. She found an old ring while cleaning her room and asked if she can wear it and tell people it’s our engagement ring! Damn! I guess this is my comeuppance for compulsively scripting my life. I have become a sitcom character trapped in a story of mistaken identity. I have literally been thrust into an engagement I don’t even want. The weird thing is I feel like a stereotypical guy. I’m getting married. There goes my freedom. Time for the old ball and chain. Yet what did I do with my 27 years of freedom? What am I losing by getting married? The opportunity to play Yahoo canasta in my underwear at 3 in the morning? Big fuckin’ deal! I’m going to play along. Though I’m kind of pissed that I got drafted into this engagement. I did want to do the whole "get down on one knee" traditional bit. How much should a guy spend on an engagement ring? Yesterday on the phone Rikki said: "You don’t have to get me a ring. I know what’s in your heart" which is female speak for "You better buy me a ring, you little bastard." Is $300 enough or will that make me look like a tightwad?

as long as it is a 1 carat marquise or round cut solitare set in yellow gold simple, elegant, and classic. — ———————————————————————— Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ ———————————————————————— —————- ———————————————————————— —————

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Hey, everyone. : ) I’ve been reading this NG for a few days and my bullshit sirens went off. : ) To all of the newbies out there who don’t know the story behind this poster: Sadi is a troll who goes out of her way to harass and antagonize innocent A.S.S.ers. In her short time here, she: – Spent several months lying about being a model to give herself an air of superiority over everyone. – Constantly harassed the male posters, putting them down because of their looks. – Created a video to entice someone into being her friend, only to say she set it up to humiliate the poster. – Admitted to taking joy in preying on the "weak and sexually abused". – Pulling pics from hotornot profiles and putting them in her version of the a.s.s. gallery, whether anyone wanted or not, even putting pics of people in who had specifically requested to be removed from the gallery. – Taking down her gallery (after her lie about being a model was exposed) and replacing the pics of A.S.S.ers with gaping assholes. If she seems like she’s trying to support you, it’s phony. If she seems like she’s trying to befriend you, it’s even phonier. Don’t trust her. Don’t believe her. Don’t argue with her. She is here, as her name so aptly conveys, to be Sadistic – nothing more.

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote:

Dolores

news:GdqdnbXxmPthqM7fRVn- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

3…@comcast.com: jizzlob…@intergate.com wrote: Look bitch I don’t care how much you make or owe as long as you

pay

your share of the rent. I guess this is why marriage will never

agree

with me. Anyone who is planning on getting married should immediately move

to a

state that DOES NOT RECOGNIZE community property. Also, always keep seperate finances. Never go joint. You don’t want

spend the rest of your life fighting about money, and if you keep seperate finances you won’t have to. What if you want to buy a house?

Personally, I can’t ever imagine being in the financial position of being able to buy a house.

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia

wrote in

news:Xns962EB1D4A85F5newbnewbcom@68.12.19.6:

It doesn’t have to be. So long as she is making timely payments her credit is in good standing. -phy Narrator: And here’s a man who claims to have actually met a woman

I can only blame it on posting past my bedtime. Why I assumed she was making timely payments is beyond me. I should have known better than to make that comment. -phy

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Dolores

wrote in news:GdqdnbXxmPthqM7fRVn-

3…@comcast.com:

jizzlob…@intergate.com wrote: Look bitch I don’t care how much you make or owe as long as you pay your share of the rent. I guess this is why marriage will never agree with me. Anyone who is planning on getting married should immediately move to a state that DOES NOT RECOGNIZE community property. Also, always keep seperate finances. Never go joint. You don’t want to spend the rest of your life fighting about money, and if you keep seperate finances you won’t have to.

You will still end up fighting about money when one person doesn’t pony up their share of the expenses. You are right about moving though. -phy

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Dolores

wrote in news:GdqdnbXxmPthqM7fRVn-

3…@comcast.com:

jizzlob…@intergate.com wrote: Look bitch I don’t care how much you make or owe as long as you pay your share of the rent. I guess this is why marriage will never agree with me. Anyone who is planning on getting married should immediately move to a state that DOES NOT RECOGNIZE community property. Also, always keep seperate finances. Never go joint. You don’t want to spend the rest of your life fighting about money, and if you keep seperate finances you won’t have to.

What if you want to buy a house? — The Morning-After Pill The FDA is deciding whether they will allow non-prescription sales of the morning-after pill Plan B. What do you think? Dana Conner Photographer "Why not? The tequila responsible for getting me knocked up in the first place is sold over the counter." Jared Maldonado Telemarketer "If this pill is sold over the counter, people will start, for the first time ever, having unprotected sex." Adrian Roy Systems Analyst "It says in the Bible that the morning-after pill is wrong. I believe the passage is Pharmaceuticals 3:16." Ana Huff Musician "Not for me, thanks. I’ve had a Dalkon Shield IUD in me for 30 years, and in me it’s gonna stay."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Rainier wrote:

Here’s the abbreviated story. I punk my gf for our three month anniversary last Saturday night. We’re sitting on the zebra sofa at our favourite pub when I begin the set up. I tell her my parents were already married at this point in their relationship and that I inherited my father’s impetuousness. Then I unleash a series of double entendres and sheepishly admit I’m really nervous because I had never done this kind of thing before. Finally I bend down on one knee, tell her to close her eyes and put a ring box in her hand. She opens the box and finds a . . . AA Battery Inside! After three months I finally found a way to leave my extrovert gf speechless. After several moments she pieces the puzzle together. "You bought me a vibrator?" Indeed I did! She found the joke very amusing and promised to tell all her friends. We try the rabbit vibrator out later in the evening and it was well worth the $40 I spent on it. Afterwards she whispers in my ear, "I would have said yes." Now am I the speechless one. I always assumed my gf was an aspiring Ab Fab girl who would wind up as an inebriated, promiscous, middle-aged tart who wore too much make-up and bragged incessantly about her college glory days. Essentially the only difference between her current self and the 40 year-old version would be wrinkles, sagging tits and an extra stone or two on the frame. She never struck me as the marrying kind. Anyways we engage in some innocent pillow talk about where we’re going to live once we get married. Then I take her home, we play phone tag all week and I finally talk to her yesterday. She is all excited. And guess what? That innocent pillow talk was not so innocent after all. She told all her friends we’re engaged and getting married! I didn’t even propose but I already have two guys fighting to be my best man. It gets even more bizzarre. Today she calls me. She found an old ring while cleaning her room and asked if she can wear it and tell people it’s our engagement ring! Damn! I guess this is my comeuppance for compulsively scripting my life. I have become a sitcom character trapped in a story of mistaken identity. I have literally been thrust into an engagement I don’t even want. The weird thing is I feel like a stereotypical guy. I’m getting married. There goes my freedom. Time for the old ball and chain. Yet what did I do with my 27 years of freedom? What am I losing by getting married? The opportunity to play Yahoo canasta in my underwear at 3 in the morning? Big fuckin’ deal! I’m going to play along. Though I’m kind of pissed that I got drafted into this engagement. I did want to do the whole "get down on one knee" traditional bit. How much should a guy spend on an engagement ring? Yesterday on the phone Rikki said: "You don’t have to get me a ring. I know what’s in your heart" which is female speak for "You better buy me a ring, you little bastard." Is $300 enough or will that make me look like a tightwad? I have the perfect scheme. For our 4 month anniversary I buy us a set of matching bowling balls. Rikki hates to bowl so she’ll just have to grin and bear it. Then when she sticks her finger in the hole, guess what she’ll find? Yep her legitimate engagement ring! The weird thing is I’m more excited about the bowling ball scheme than my impending nuptials. -rainier

Never joke about getting married or about having kids with your partner; if you don’t mean to follow through, it’s just cruel, and it leads to the situation you now claim to be in. — -=Lola Fuck you and quit dogging me, asshole

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lobsterboy wrote:

"Rainier"

Actually, I never understood the joke. Why is it that "Rikki" assumed that a AA battery indicated that Rainier had bought her a vibrator? There are hundreds of non sex toy type devices which use AA batteries. Why was it obvious that Rainier was trying to make a little joke out of buying a vibrator? There must be some context to this which Rainier has not chosen to reveal. [snip] August Pamplona — The waterfall in Java is not wet. – omegazero2003 on m.f.w. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lobsterboy wrote:

"Rainier"

yes this isnt a game.although to plenty think it is. if you are really going to do this, both of you go to pre marital counseling. I don’t think marriage means losing freedom if you pick the right person who allows you to be yourself and vice versa. — ———————————————————————— Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ ———————————————————————— —————- ———————————————————————— —————

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jizzlob…@intergate.com wrote:

Look bitch I don’t care how much you make or owe as long as you pay your share of the rent. I guess this is why marriage will never agree with me.

Anyone who is planning on getting married should immediately move to a state that DOES NOT RECOGNIZE community property. Also, always keep seperate finances. Never go joint. You don’t want to spend the rest of your life fighting about money, and if you keep seperate finances you won’t have to. — -=Lola Fuck you and quit dogging me, asshole

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wilson wrote:

READ THIS BEFORE GETTING MARRIED: "Were a young man to ask me, "To marry perchance, or remain forever single?" I would, given the hostile circumstances today of law and love, urge caution. "Marriage is a commitment of several years of your life, plus child support," I would say. "Do not make it rashly." The question is simply, "Why marry?" As a young man full of dangerous steroids, your answer will probably be, "Ah, because her hair is like corn silk under an August moon; her lips are as rubies and her teeth, pearls; and her smile would make a dead man cry." This amounts to, "I’m horny," with elaborations. It is as it ought to be. The race continues because maidens are glorious, and striplings both desperate and unwise. Note, incidentally, that by the time October rolls around, corn silk is shriveled and brown. Why marry, indeed? In times past, marriage occasionally made sense. Life on a farm required two people, a woman to work herself ragged in the cabin while the man carried heavy lumpish things and shot Indians. Later, come suburbia, the man did something tedious in an office and the woman did two hours housework and stayed bored for six. It worked, tolerably. In the Fifties, nobody expected much of life. It generally met their expectations. And there was sex, though not enough of it — the scarcity being the propellant behind matrimony. Back then, before the miracle of feminism, women had not yet commoditized themselves. A lad had to pop the question before he got laid regular. Women controlled the carnal economy and, in a world that was going to be boring anyway, that was probably a good thing. At least kids had parents. Times change. Some advice to young fellows setting forth: First, forget that her lips are sweet as honeydew melon (though not, of course, green). It doesn’t last. One of nature’s more disagreeable tricks is that while men are far uglier than women, they age better. Remember this. It is useful to reflect in moments of unguided passion that, beneath the skin, we are all wet bags of unpleasant organs. Soon you will be a balding sofa ornament and she will look like a fireplug with cellulite. Once the packaging deteriorates, there had better be something to get you through the next thirty years. Usually there isn’t. Prospects have improved for the single of both genders. Sex is nowadays always available. If you don’t marry Moon Pie, which would be wise, you may get another chance when she comes back on the market with the first wave of divorcees. It’s never now-or-never. Getting older doesn’t diminish your opportunities. As you gain experience, you will recognize the tides, the eddies, the whirlpools of coupling — the urgency of the biological clock, the lunacy of menopause. Men by comparison embody a wonderful clod-like simplicity. As you ponder snuggling forever with Moon Pie, compare the lives of your bachelor and your married friends. The bachelors come and go as the mood strikes them, order their apartments with squalid abandon, drive Miatas or Harleys if they choose, and live in such pleasant dissolution as is consonant with continued employment. The married guy lives in a vast echoing mortgage beyond his means, drives sensible cars he doesn’t like, and loses his old friends because he isn’t allowed to hang out with them. Self-help books to the contrary, marriage does not rest on compromises, but on concessions. You will make all of them. Perhaps it doesn’t have to be this way. But it is this way. Moon Pie has only one reason for marriage: to get her legal hooks into you. She doesn’t think of it in these terms, yet, and she has no evil intentions. She just wants a nice quiet home in the remote suburbs where she can live uneventfully, raise progeny, and keep her eye on you. If you think surveillance isn’t part of the contract, try going out late with your old buddies. Marriage is an institution founded on mistrust. If she thought you would stick around if not compelled, she wouldn’t need marriage. She wants monogamy, at least for you and, with some frequency, for herself. She knows viscerally that you would prefer the amorous insouciance of an oversexed alley cat. You know it consciously. Marriage exists to control the male, until recently a good idea. Now, however, she can support herself, and doesn’t need protection. She doesn’t need you, or you, her. She will, however, want to have children. Women do. At which point, God help you. Given the schools, drugs, latch-keyism consequent first to working parents and then to divorce, and the cultural pressure on children to be slatterns and dope-dealers, reproduction is a gamble. You may not even particularly like them, or they, you. Nobody talks about this, but how many people do you know who hardly talk to their grown children? And you’ve just tied yourself into twenty years of raising them. The moment Junior enters wherever it is that we are, Moon Pie will have you screwed to the wall. She won’t think of it this way, yet. She’ll be delighted with the cooing bundle of joy, his little fingers, her little toes, etc. But divorce comes. The chances are two to one that she will file: Women are more eager than men to enter marriage, and more eager to leave it — with the kids, the house, and the child support. It won’t be amicable, not after seven years. You will be astonished at how ruthless she will be, how well she knows the law, and how utterly hostile to divorcing fathers the law is. You don’t understand how bad the divorce courts are. You probably don’t know what "imputed income" is. You think that "joint custody" means "joint custody." Think again. Quite possibly you will have to support her while she moves with your kids to Fukuoka with an Air Force colonel she met in a meat bar. In short, marriage often means turning twenty-five years of your life into smoking wreckage. Yes, happy marriages exist (I personally know of one) and there are the somnolent marriages of habitual contentment or, perhaps, of quiet resignation. But the odds aren’t good. Permit me an heretical thought. In an age when neither sex economically needs the other, in which women do not need protection from wild bears and marauding savages, not in the suburbs anyway, perhaps marriage doesn’t make sense, at least for men. The divorce courts remove all doubt. A young fellow might do well to stay single, keep his DNA to himself, pick such flowers as he might find along the way, and live his life as he likes. -Fred Reed, 2002

Fred Reed is, apparently, a plagiarist. — -=Lola Fuck you and quit dogging me, asshole

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Here’s the abbreviated story. I punk my gf for our three month anniversary last Saturday night. We’re sitting on the zebra sofa at our favourite pub when I begin the set up. I tell her my parents were already married at this point in their relationship and that I inherited my father’s impetuousness. Then I unleash a series of double entendres and sheepishly admit I’m really nervous because I had never done this kind of thing before. Finally I bend down on one knee, tell her to close her eyes and put a ring box in her hand. She opens the box and finds a . . . AA Battery Inside! After three months I finally found a way to leave my extrovert gf speechless. After several moments she pieces the puzzle together. "You bought me a vibrator?" Indeed I did! She found the joke very amusing and promised to tell all her friends. We try the rabbit vibrator out later in the evening and it was well worth the $40 I spent on it. Afterwards she whispers in my ear, "I would have said yes." Now am I the speechless one. I always assumed my gf was an aspiring Ab Fab girl who would wind up as an inebriated, promiscous, middle-aged tart who wore too much make-up and bragged incessantly about her college glory days. Essentially the only difference between her current self and the 40 year-old version would be wrinkles, sagging tits and an extra stone or two on the frame. She never struck me as the marrying kind. Anyways we engage in some innocent pillow talk about where we’re going to live once we get married. Then I take her home, we play phone tag all week and I finally talk to her yesterday. She is all excited. And guess what? That innocent pillow talk was not so innocent after all. She told all her friends we’re engaged and getting married! I didn’t even propose but I already have two guys fighting to be my best man. It gets even more bizzarre. Today she calls me. She found an old ring while cleaning her room and asked if she can wear it and tell people it’s our engagement ring! Damn! I guess this is my comeuppance for compulsively scripting my life. I have become a sitcom character trapped in a story of mistaken identity. I have literally been thrust into an engagement I don’t even want. The weird thing is I feel like a stereotypical guy. I’m getting married. There goes my freedom. Time for the old ball and chain. Yet what did I do with my 27 years of freedom? What am I losing by getting married? The opportunity to play Yahoo canasta in my underwear at 3 in the morning? Big fuckin’ deal! I’m going to play along. Though I’m kind of pissed that I got drafted into this engagement. I did want to do the whole "get down on one knee" traditional bit. How much should a guy spend on an engagement ring? Yesterday on the phone Rikki said: "You don’t have to get me a ring. I know what’s in your heart" which is female speak for "You better buy me a ring, you little bastard." Is $300 enough or will that make me look like a tightwad? I have the perfect scheme. For our 4 month anniversary I buy us a set of matching bowling balls. Rikki hates to bowl so she’ll just have to grin and bear it. Then when she sticks her finger in the hole, guess what she’ll find? Yep her legitimate engagement ring! The weird thing is I’m more excited about the bowling ball scheme than my impending nuptials. -rainier

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Rainier, I didn’t think you could top your IceGrrl and RinkBoi stories, but you did. Teacher gives you A+ for creative writing, D for believability and D- for "punking" your pals on ASS. :-/ Perhaps you and Mitz should hook up. Your latest Pinocchio and his laughable "reverse sex-change surgery" story belong in The ASS Hall of Shame ™.

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Amen to that !!!!

I hate to be cynical but it is true. The only worse thing is to be single and alone all your life. -phy

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Someone get that man a blindfold and a cigarette ! He’s a goner

My advice is that he needs to run a credit check on the woman before he makes any kind of commitment. Also, Ranier, it is never too late to back out until you say "I do". It isn’t too late then either, just a whole lot more expensive. -phy

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Rainier, I didn’t think you could top your IceGrrl and RinkBoi stories, but you did.

Practice makes perfect. -phy

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phy wrote:

My advice is that he needs to run a credit check on the woman

before he

makes any kind of commitment.

No need for that. She’s already told me she has $100,000 worth of private school debts to pay off so I assume her credit rating is in the crapper. -rainier

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No need for that. She’s already told me she has $100,000 worth of private school debts to pay off so I assume her credit rating is in the crapper. -rainier

It doesn’t have to be. So long as she is making timely payments her credit is in good standing. -phy

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> news:4e58c1e7bbae8dbb9ac362f5b4604857@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: >> No need for that. She’s already told me she has $100,000 worth of >> private school debts to pay off so I assume her credit rating is in >> the crapper. >> -rainier > It doesn’t have to be. So long as she is making timely payments her > credit is in good standing. > -phy

Narrator: And here’s a man who claims to have actually met a woman Man (who is obviously Crow T. Robot): And then I met this woman…and… Narrator: And then what happened, Sir? Man: She *gasp* married me! Narrator: Did you have any children? Man: I-I-don’t know! — "Please enjoy a fish anus." –Blood Waters of Dr. Z. "There is no way out of here. There is no way out." -Manos IV: Torgo Goes To Baghdad.

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"Rainier"

private

school debts to pay off so I assume her credit rating is in the

crapper.

-rainier It doesn’t have to be. So long as she is making timely payments her

credit

is in good standing. -phy

Look bitch I don’t care how much you make or owe as long as you pay your share of the rent. I guess this is why marriage will never agree with me.

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 If you’re not careful, Rainier, you’ll end up accidentally *married*. You might go to the court to inquire about marriage licenses, then find that that day is the last day before the fee triples, so you seduce yourself into legally marrying that day, when all you really wanted was the licence. That could easily happen if you suddenly found out that the licence expires before the official marriage date, so you decide to get it over with and marry right there so you don’t have to come back again later at great inconvenience. Hey, Rainier, I bet you could even use that scenario to sweep Rikki off her feet – you could work this into a scheme to abduct her to your (secret) honeymoon *before* the actual wedding. In fact, you could feign slightly "cold feet" as part of your elaborate ruse to maintain your poker face even as all the wedding guests "happen to" be at the resort too. (But careful that you don’t overdo the cold feet, or she might believe it a bit too much and bail.) Not that I would ever plant ideas for such choreography in your masterfully manipulative mind, Rainier. Anyway, now that you are accidentally engaged as you say, are you finding that all kinds of random people are coming out of the woodworks to congratulate you, whilst they were nowhere to be seen when you were desperately lonely and single? Those people who so love asking, "Why, Rainier! Are you STILL single???" (I wonder if they will now start asking, "Are you STILL engaged?" LOL.) Don’t sweat it – many of them probably just never "felt right" about talking to you about your singleness – now that you’re engaged they feel "safe" talking to you about it. You can tell yourself they were all secretly rooting for you before from their little hideouts. Oh, before I forget, congratulations! [Except, if "Rainier" is really real I doubt how enthusiastic he is about this accidental engagement. I wonder if Rikki isn't just exacting revenge for all the mindgames? Yeah, tell yourself that - it's just a mindgame. She took your AA battery theater performance and ran with it. Hey, wouldn't your creative writing class just *love* the drama of a bride calling off the wedding at the altar? Or how about an objection to the marriage from an estranged husband bursting through the church doors at the last minute?] —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFCUnBw/FmLrNfLpjMRAvpjAJ4lW3RyBG6IQssK4cuQjt9yepqD5wCcChc5 iC86dzMYMeJp3Qyqj942XDs= =fOpQ —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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"Rainier"

wrote Here’s the abbreviated story. I punk my gf for our three month anniversary last Saturday night. We’re sitting on the zebra sofa at our favourite pub when I begin the set up. I tell her my parents were already married at this point in their relationship and that I inherited my father’s impetuousness. Then I unleash a series of double entendres and sheepishly admit I’m really nervous because I had never done this kind of thing before. Finally I bend down on one knee, tell her to close her eyes and put a ring box in her hand. She opens the box and finds a . . . AA Battery Inside!

LOL! That was a really good joke.

She is all excited. And guess what? That innocent pillow talk was not so innocent after all. She told all her friends we’re engaged and getting married! I didn’t even propose but I already have two guys fighting to be my best man. It gets even more bizzarre. Today she calls me. She found an old ring while cleaning her room and asked if she can wear it and tell people it’s our engagement ring! Damn! I guess this is my comeuppance for compulsively scripting my life. I have become a sitcom character trapped in a story of mistaken identity. I have literally been thrust into an engagement I don’t even want.

That’s not a joke…

The weird thing is I feel like a stereotypical guy. I’m getting married. There goes my freedom. Time for the old ball and chain. Yet what did I do with my 27 years of freedom? What am I losing by getting married? The opportunity to play Yahoo canasta in my underwear at 3 in the morning? Big fuckin’ deal! I’m going to play along. Though I’m kind of pissed that I got drafted into this engagement. I did want to do the whole "get down on one knee" traditional bit.

From this I’ve got the impression that you haven’t tought for more than a minute all what implies getting married; legally, financially, the impact on your lifestyle. It seems you don’t value much your freedom, but don’t you know that we don’t value some things until we lose them?.

I have the perfect scheme. For our 4 month anniversary I buy us a set of matching bowling balls. Rikki hates to bowl so she’ll just have to grin and bear it. Then when she sticks her finger in the hole, guess what she’ll find? Yep her legitimate engagement ring!

That’s fun too, but…

The weird thing is I’m more excited about the bowling ball scheme than my impending nuptials.

Definetly, you’re not aware where you’re going. This is not gonna be another of your games, there’s real danger here. Read well the article Wilson posted, and think carefully about what you’re about to do. You still have time to stop it.

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READ THIS BEFORE GETTING MARRIED: "Were a young man to ask me, "To marry perchance, or remain forever single?" I would, given the hostile circumstances today of law and love, urge caution. "Marriage is a commitment of several years of your life, plus child support," I would say. "Do not make it rashly." The question is simply, "Why marry?" As a young man full of dangerous steroids, your answer will probably be, "Ah, because her hair is like corn silk under an August moon; her lips are as rubies and her teeth, pearls; and her smile would make a dead man cry." This amounts to, "I’m horny," with elaborations. It is as it ought to be. The race continues because maidens are glorious, and striplings both desperate and unwise. Note, incidentally, that by the time October rolls around, corn silk is shriveled and brown. Why marry, indeed? In times past, marriage occasionally made sense. Life on a farm required two people, a woman to work herself ragged in the cabin while the man carried heavy lumpish things and shot Indians. Later, come suburbia, the man did something tedious in an office and the woman did two hours housework and stayed bored for six. It worked, tolerably. In the Fifties, nobody expected much of life. It generally met their expectations. And there was sex, though not enough of it — the scarcity being the propellant behind matrimony. Back then, before the miracle of feminism, women had not yet commoditized themselves. A lad had to pop the question before he got laid regular. Women controlled the carnal economy and, in a world that was going to be boring anyway, that was probably a good thing. At least kids had parents. Times change. Some advice to young fellows setting forth: First, forget that her lips are sweet as honeydew melon (though not, of course, green). It doesn’t last. One of nature’s more disagreeable tricks is that while men are far uglier than women, they age better. Remember this. It is useful to reflect in moments of unguided passion that, beneath the skin, we are all wet bags of unpleasant organs. Soon you will be a balding sofa ornament and she will look like a fireplug with cellulite. Once the packaging deteriorates, there had better be something to get you through the next thirty years. Usually there isn’t. Prospects have improved for the single of both genders. Sex is nowadays always available. If you don’t marry Moon Pie, which would be wise, you may get another chance when she comes back on the market with the first wave of divorcees. It’s never now-or-never. Getting older doesn’t diminish your opportunities. As you gain experience, you will recognize the tides, the eddies, the whirlpools of coupling — the urgency of the biological clock, the lunacy of menopause. Men by comparison embody a wonderful clod-like simplicity. As you ponder snuggling forever with Moon Pie, compare the lives of your bachelor and your married friends. The bachelors come and go as the mood strikes them, order their apartments with squalid abandon, drive Miatas or Harleys if they choose, and live in such pleasant dissolution as is consonant with continued employment. The married guy lives in a vast echoing mortgage beyond his means, drives sensible cars he doesn’t like, and loses his old friends because he isn’t allowed to hang out with them. Self-help books to the contrary, marriage does not rest on compromises, but on concessions. You will make all of them. Perhaps it doesn’t have to be this way. But it is this way. Moon Pie has only one reason for marriage: to get her legal hooks into you. She doesn’t think of it in these terms, yet, and she has no evil intentions. She just wants a nice quiet home in the remote suburbs where she can live uneventfully, raise progeny, and keep her eye on you. If you think surveillance isn’t part of the contract, try going out late with your old buddies. Marriage is an institution founded on mistrust. If she thought you would stick around if not compelled, she wouldn’t need marriage. She wants monogamy, at least for you and, with some frequency, for herself. She knows viscerally that you would prefer the amorous insouciance of an oversexed alley cat. You know it consciously. Marriage exists to control the male, until recently a good idea. Now, however, she can support herself, and doesn’t need protection. She doesn’t need you, or you, her. She will, however, want to have children. Women do. At which point, God help you. Given the schools, drugs, latch-keyism consequent first to working parents and then to divorce, and the cultural pressure on children to be slatterns and dope-dealers, reproduction is a gamble. You may not even particularly like them, or they, you. Nobody talks about this, but how many people do you know who hardly talk to their grown children? And you’ve just tied yourself into twenty years of raising them. The moment Junior enters wherever it is that we are, Moon Pie will have you screwed to the wall. She won’t think of it this way, yet. She’ll be delighted with the cooing bundle of joy, his little fingers, her little toes, etc. But divorce comes. The chances are two to one that she will file: Women are more eager than men to enter marriage, and more eager to leave it — with the kids, the house, and the child support. It won’t be amicable, not after seven years. You will be astonished at how ruthless she will be, how well she knows the law, and how utterly hostile to divorcing fathers the law is. You don’t understand how bad the divorce courts are. You probably don’t know what "imputed income" is. You think that "joint custody" means "joint custody." Think again. Quite possibly you will have to support her while she moves with your kids to Fukuoka with an Air Force colonel she met in a meat bar. In short, marriage often means turning twenty-five years of your life into smoking wreckage. Yes, happy marriages exist (I personally know of one) and there are the somnolent marriages of habitual contentment or, perhaps, of quiet resignation. But the odds aren’t good. Permit me an heretical thought. In an age when neither sex economically needs the other, in which women do not need protection from wild bears and marauding savages, not in the suburbs anyway, perhaps marriage doesn’t make sense, at least for men. The divorce courts remove all doubt. A young fellow might do well to stay single, keep his DNA to himself, pick such flowers as he might find along the way, and live his life as he likes. -Fred Reed, 2002

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Need advice about saggy skin after weight loss

admin — Sat, 02 Apr 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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My husband’s sleep apnea disappeared when he lost weight. The CPAP collects dust in the closet now.

Now that’s way kewl!! I can only hope it does similar for me. I have tried for over 10 months to wear the stupid thing and usually just keep it on part of the night. I think I take it off when my son gets in our bed sometime during the night. I have to admit it has made a major difference in my energy level though. I’ll have to discuss this with my pulminologist. Thanks for the info. Donna K. 398.8/279.6/275 (next short term goal) New WOE began Jan 2003 LC since May 2003 CR and LC since Jan 2005

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My husband’s sleep apnea disappeared when he lost weight. The CPAP collects dust in the closet now.

Is it for sale?

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I’ve got a family history of diabetes and a personal history of sleep apnea (which I didn’t think got better with wt loss, glad to know it might).

Hi Donna, My husband’s sleep apnea disappeared when he lost weight. The CPAP collects dust in the closet now. — Walking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/115 Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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Speaking of IRL, Beverly, my Dayton trip has just been finalized. I will be traveling out Sunday, so could get together for dinner if you’re available. (Or possibly sometime in the afternoon — don’t know yet about flight times.) Let me know if you are free. I’ll be staying at the same place. Chris

This is great. I’ll keep the date open and we can finalize plans when you get your flight times. Beverly

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Oily skin may be more elastic but it’s not a result of a high fat diet, more a matter of genetics. This is my impression. My skin has been pretty much the same (rather on the dry side) all my life — didn’t change when dieting, though I eat much less fat than I used to. But even with dry skin, my skin recovery has been pretty good, I think.

I’ve seen Chris IRL and have to say her skin looks great. You certainly wouldn’t know she had ever been at a heavier weight. Beverly

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Oily skin may be more elastic but it’s not a result of a high fat diet, more a matter of genetics.

This is my impression. My skin has been pretty much the same (rather on the dry side) all my life — didn’t change when dieting, though I eat much less fat than I used to. But even with dry skin, my skin recovery has been pretty good, I think. Moisture (water) also matters, us ladies use moisturizing creams even on oily skins.

I do moisturize . Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – that. My breasts look like deflated footballs; I have to clean and jerk them into a bra every morning. I may laugh for days. http://photos.yahoo.com/kasey0613 (click on Kasey ASD album) Fee, fee, fi, fi, fo-fo, fum Look at Kasey now, here she comes Wearin’ her wig hat and shades to match She’s got high-heel shoes and an alligator hat Wearin’ her pearls and her diamond rings She’s got bracelets on her fingers, now, and everything She’s the devil with the blue dress, blue dress, blue dress, Devil with the blue dress on Devil with the blue dress, blue dress, blue dress, Devil with the blue dress on Wearin’ her perfume, Chanel No. 5 Got to be the finest girl alive She walks real cool, catches everybody’s eye She’s got such good lovin’ that they can’t say goodbye Not too skinny, she’s not too fat She’s a real humdinger and I like it like that She’s the devil with the blue dress, blue dress, blue dress, Devil with the blue dress on Devil with the blue dress, blue dress, blue dress, Devil with the blue dress on Good Golly Ms. Kasey!

Cool! Thanks for this, Matthew . Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

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Having once been 320 pounds, I’m very concerned about skin elasticity. So far, after losing 142 pounds from peak, my skin appears to be returning to normal with some extra wrinkles. Wrinkles near the elbow, and such, are common at my age of 49 anyway. I still have some poundage to lose to see what the result will be. My best guess as to why my skin appears to be recovering, is that I get lots of saturated fat and cholesterol. The body needs the basic building materials to re-engineer itself. I suspect that horrible skin results may be a symptom of low fat diets.

Skin type is something you’re pretty much born with. Although. I do cut down on fat to lose weight because of the high calorie content of fat I don’t have dry skin. I’ve heard people complain about dry skin with a LF diet, I’ve just checked & my nose still shines brightly I always had oily skin & suffered from acne as a teenager. One of my best friends has very dry skin and she’s had deep wrinkles around her eyes since I met her aged 23, now she looks older than my mum! The highest amount of weight I ever lost was nearly 60lbs in just over 6 months so it doesn’t compare with the amounts other people have lost, however, I never had lose skin, only softer adipose tissue under it. Oily skin may be more elastic but it’s not a result of a high fat diet, more a matter of genetics. Moisture (water) also matters, us ladies use moisturizing creams even on oily skins. Skin moisture is affected by air humidity, the water in your region, exposure to the sun, etc. In short, there are too many factors skin tone. Sounds like a subject for further investigation.

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I wouldn’t. I started this WOL to improve my health and quality of life. I figured my middle-aged skin would not "go back to normal" after 20+ years of morbid obesity. Being able to walk without fatigue and pain, having energy to live an active life, and controlling my diabetes and sleep apnea are well worth the unpleasant appearance, which can only be seen when I’m nekkid. I look quite presentable clothed: http://photos.yahoo.com/kasey0613 (click on Kasey ASD album)

Hey, Kasey, I don’t remember the blue suit pics – when did you sneak them in? You look just terrific! janice

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I’ve lost more than 150 pounds, and if you are referring to the Discovery Channel program I think you are, then yes, I look like that. My breasts look like deflated footballs; I have to clean and jerk them into a bra every morning. There are rolls of excess skin on my abdomen and thighs; my upper arms make a flapping noise during aerobics. I look like a shar-pei, but less cute.

Hi, Kasey, I’m with you girl. Even before I started losing weight I had the wing flaps and dunlap dz. Heck, I had them as a teenager. I knew when I started my WOE the skin would just get saggier and that was to be expected. I’ve lost 120 lbs, and still have about 100 more to lose. I do Shaolin Martial Arts with my husband and try not to freak when my abd skin makes a loud pop. I’m going to invest in some support clothing to help hold that stuff down… :). I feel sooooOOo much better now, and can do sooOoOo much more than before. I, too, think it is a small price to pay to have my life back. I have a 4.5 yo son that I want to go hiking with this summer, that’s more important to me. I started this WOL to improve my health and quality of life. I figured my middle-aged skin would not "go back to normal" after 20+ years of morbid obesity. Being able to walk without fatigue and pain, having energy to live an active life, and controlling my diabetes and sleep apnea are well worth the unpleasant appearance, which can only be seen when I’m nekkid.

Me, too. I’ve been super heavy since High School. I’m more active now that I have been in 15+ yrs. I’ve got a family history of diabetes and a personal history of sleep apnea (which I didn’t think got better with wt loss, glad to know it might). My husband is the only one that sees me nekkid and he’s euphoric with my progress. My DS asked to go for a walk a couple of days ago….boy, did that make me beam :). I look quite presentable clothed:

You look outstanding in that blue suit. I have an consult scheduled with a plastic surgeon in June, so I hope to have some of the redundant skin removed. But even if I can’t, I value my health far more than my physical appearance.

I’d love to know the outcome, Kasey. I’m going to have a consultation when I get around 190 – 200. I’m not sure insurance will help with it, even though there are some "hygeine" issues that I’m battling with, even now. Thanks for posting, it gave me courage to put my 2 cents out there. Donna K. 398.8/279.6/275 (next short term goal) NWOE began Jan 2003 LC began May 2003 CR and LC began Jan 2005

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that. My breasts look like deflated footballs; I have to clean and jerk them into a bra every morning.

I may laugh for days. http://photos.yahoo.com/kasey0613 (click on Kasey ASD album)

Fee, fee, fi, fi, fo-fo, fum Look at Kasey now, here she comes Wearin’ her wig hat and shades to match She’s got high-heel shoes and an alligator hat Wearin’ her pearls and her diamond rings She’s got bracelets on her fingers, now, and everything She’s the devil with the blue dress, blue dress, blue dress, Devil with the blue dress on Devil with the blue dress, blue dress, blue dress, Devil with the blue dress on Wearin’ her perfume, Chanel No. 5 Got to be the finest girl alive She walks real cool, catches everybody’s eye She’s got such good lovin’ that they can’t say goodbye Not too skinny, she’s not too fat She’s a real humdinger and I like it like that She’s the devil with the blue dress, blue dress, blue dress, Devil with the blue dress on Devil with the blue dress, blue dress, blue dress, Devil with the blue dress on Good Golly Ms. Kasey!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wouldn’t. I started this WOL to improve my health and quality of life. I figured my middle-aged skin would not "go back to normal" after 20+ years of morbid obesity. Being able to walk without fatigue and pain, having energy to live an active life, and controlling my diabetes and sleep apnea are well worth the unpleasant appearance, which can only be seen when I’m nekkid. I look quite presentable clothed: http://photos.yahoo.com/kasey0613 (click on Kasey ASD album) You’ve added some pics since the last time I viewed them. You look fabulous in the blue dress! Beverly

Indeed you do, Kasey! I couldn’t get there earlier — link timed out — but after these comments I had to try again and check it out . Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

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You’ve added some pics since the last time I viewed them. You look fabulous in the blue dress! Beverly

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I dunno. I think we all tend to credit our lifestyle choices for what may be mainly good fortune. My skin has also recovered well, and I eat little saturated fat. (I do try to eat a reasonable amount of good fats.) I am inclined to credit weight training for the skin recovery. But really, is it your fat, or my weight training, or just gradual weight loss and luck in the genetic draw? Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

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Holy cow, Kasey, you look AMAZING in that blue suit. Way to go, girl – what an accomplishment! You must be thrilled with the new you! Mary G.

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Anyone else that has lost a lot of weight get so

much skin it looked like this? If my boobs end up looking like that …<< I’ve lost more than 150 pounds, and if you are referring to the Discovery Channel program I think you are, then yes, I look like that. My breasts look like deflated footballs; I have to clean and jerk them into a bra every morning. There are rolls of excess skin on my abdomen and thighs; my upper arms make a flapping noise during aerobics. I look like a shar-pei, but less cute. I

would rather be fat!<< I wouldn’t. I started this WOL to improve my health and quality of life. I figured my middle-aged skin would not "go back to normal" after 20+ years of morbid obesity. Being able to walk without fatigue and pain, having energy to live an active life, and controlling my diabetes and sleep apnea are well worth the unpleasant appearance, which can only be seen when I’m nekkid. I look quite presentable clothed: http://photos.yahoo.com/kasey0613 (click on Kasey ASD album) I have an consult scheduled with a plastic surgeon in June, so I hope to have some of the redundant skin removed. But even if I can’t, I value my health far more than my physical appearance. As always, YMMV. Kasey 365/213/190

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Having once been 320 pounds, I’m very concerned about skin elasticity. So far, after losing 142 pounds from peak, my skin appears to be returning to normal with some extra wrinkles. Wrinkles near the elbow, and such, are common at my age of 49 anyway. I still have some poundage to lose to see what the result will be. My best guess as to why my skin appears to be recovering, is that I get lots of saturated fat and cholesterol. The body needs the basic building materials to re-engineer itself. I suspect that horrible skin results may be a symptom of low fat diets. Cubit 311/178/165

There are many reasons for the loss of elasticity in the skin. Menopause is probably the biggest for women. Healthy fats are a great source for help in the prevention of sagging skin. Here’s just one of many articles that can be found with a search on "skin elasticity fat". I couldn’t find any that specfically suggested saturated fat; most mentioned fat from fish, avacado, etc. I was pleasantly surprised to find many of the foods I normally eat. At age 62 I’m still blessed very little sagging skin. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_200402/ai_n12885932 Beverly

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I saw a post on: soc.support.fat-acceptance It is titled: Michael Schiavo DEAD…just desserts! post to a woman who had gastric bypass and lost over 200lbs. Now, they show after photos, and I am telling you, a lot of skin! I have a lot of weight to lose. I have done pretty well so far, as of this morning, I have lost 44 lbs. Anyway… After looking at this last night, I had a hard time sleeping. I am wondering if you think this woman just had something wrong with the elastic in her skin that would not allow any of her skin to go back to normal? Or is this just what happens to people that have to lose such a large amount of weight? I may not have quite as much weight to lose as she did, but it is comparable and I am absolutely shocked and scared that this could be the case for me too! Anyone else that has lost a lot of weight get so much skin it looked like this? If my boobs end up looking like that, I would rather be fat! Please check that out and tell me what you think. And if I have offended anyone, I am sorry. I am just really shocked. I would also like to know if you have any ideas of what a person can do while they are losing weight to prevent some of that saggy skin? I know that I will have some and I can deal with that, but man, I don’t want anything like she has. Please tell me of ways to help the skin go back to normal. Thanks in advance Sherry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gastric bypass is an enforced crash diet, because the stomach is so small that the person can only eat very little. That’s what I thought too, till I read through part of this girl’s WLS journal just out of curiosity. There she says things like: " but don’t understand how in the world I was able to eat so much only 8 days out from surgery…" She cheated on her liquid diet a few times WITHIN THE FIRST FEW DAYS after surgery. From what she says, even after surgery it wasn’t easy to stick to plan. It would appear that many people think that, just by having the bypass, they’ll automatically eat very little without any effort or willpower on their part. According to this girl’s story, that’s not the case. I am confused, was she losing weight slowly (which would suggest that she really ate more food than I thought), or was she losing weight quickly, while feeling as though she was eating a lot?

Lost weight quickly over the first couple of weeks despite little cheats but then hit a plateau after 4 wks or so, then lost slowly for a while, 1-2 lbs/wk, which is OK for people of moderate weight losing without surgery but she was still over 300lbs. She definitely had trouble adjusting to eating less even after surgery, although there were also times when her stomach didn’t let her eat much. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Was there something wrong with her skin? Did she not exercise? Exercise wouldn’t have done anything to the lose skin, you may develop muscle mass with exercise but hardly enough to fill that empty ’sack’. Absolutely. I do not think that there is anything you can do, besides losing slowly and making sure that you eat a good diet. It is supposedly better in younger people. I have not seen any supplements that would be proven to work. Which is not to say that some magic solution does not exists, only that I have not seen it. I had a lot less to lose, I lost only 50 lbs, and I personally do not have saggy skin. The mechanism of skin elasticity and loss thereof, is that as people age, sugar bonds with collagen molecules in skin, causing them to cross-link and become less elastic. So, if a person is old and had high blood sugar, they would be more likely to have saggy skin. The girl in the pictures was 33 yrs old when she had the bypass. Looks like she is one unlucky 33 year old…

It was an eye-opener, I never thought about this ‘dark’ side of losing weight. Seeing that is certainly a good motivation for anyone to stop gaining weight, knowing that even if you manage to lose it you may not look as good as you’d have expected, unless you have plastic surgery (and big scars left after it) ;-(

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But, is she the norm for the amount of weight she had to lose? I have a lot to lose. I have lost about 45 and have over 125 to go. I am really fat. So, it is close enough to what she lost. But, I am not doing it with gastric bypass and she did. Would that cause the weight loss SO fast that the result is so much skin. Was there something wrong with her skin? Did she not exercise? What can I do to NOT look like that!

Why don’t you lose weight and worry about your appearance later? You’re all in a tizzy over something that may not even apply to you. If this woman was your *sister* it still might not happen to you! I lost nearly 100 pounds and I’m only 5 feet tall. I don’t think the amount of loose skin I have is *that* much more than any average 49 yo woman. I’d rather be healthy and fit than fret over my skin. One thing for sure, I would never have GB surgery. My best advice would be to exercise while losing weight slowly. Btw – I really only walked while I did. — Walking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/115 Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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But, is she the norm for the amount of weight she had to lose? I have a lot to lose. I have lost about 45 and have over 125 to go. I am really fat. So, it is close enough to what she lost. But, I am not doing it with gastric bypass and she did. So, you are going relatively slowly, is that correct? Would that cause the weight loss SO fast that the result is so much skin. Gastric bypass is an enforced crash diet, because the stomach is so small that the person can only eat very little.

That’s what I thought too, till I read through part of this girl’s WLS journal just out of curiosity. There she says things like: " but don’t understand how in the world I was able to eat so much only 8 days out from surgery…" She cheated on her liquid diet a few times WITHIN THE FIRST FEW DAYS after surgery. From what she says, even after surgery it wasn’t easy to stick to plan. It would appear that many people think that, just by having the bypass, they’ll automatically eat very little without any effort or willpower on their part. According to this girl’s story, that’s not the case. Was there something wrong with her skin? Did she not exercise?

Exercise wouldn’t have done anything to the lose skin, you may develop muscle mass with exercise but hardly enough to fill that empty ’sack’. What can I do to NOT look like that!

Plastic surgery! She’s had two rounds of it so far… But then she weighed 360+ to start with… I do not think that there is anything you can do, besides losing slowly and making sure that you eat a good diet. It is supposedly better in younger people. I have not seen any supplements that would be proven to work. Which is not to say that some magic solution does not exists, only that I have not seen it. I had a lot less to lose, I lost only 50 lbs, and I personally do not have saggy skin. The mechanism of skin elasticity and loss thereof, is that as people age, sugar bonds with collagen molecules in skin, causing them to cross-link and become less elastic. So, if a person is old and had high blood sugar, they would be more likely to have saggy skin.

The girl in the pictures was 33 yrs old when she had the bypass. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We cannot change our age, or what blood sugars we had, so our options are, naturally, limited. Since relatively few people lose weight and keep it off, doing studies on that is maybe more complicated. — 223/175.2/180

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I lost 150 lbs and have saggy skin but nothing like those pictures. The sagging is a result of many factors but mostly genetics and how long you were fat. My doctor and plastic surgeon both said that since I was obese since childhood and my mom had skin problems after pregnancies there was no weight loss plan (slow or fast) or cream or any other thing that would have kept me from having the loose skin. All told between torso/legs/arms it was once estimated that I had close to 20 lbs of skin that could be removed by surgery. You also need to be at a stable weight for 2 years before you can consider any lifts or tucks. — the volleyballchick

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Ok, I saw a post on: soc.support.fat-acceptance It is titled: Michael Schiavo DEAD…just desserts! post to a woman who had gastric bypass and lost over 200lbs. Now, they show after photos, and I am telling you, a lot of skin! I have a lot of weight to lose. I have done pretty well so far, as of this morning, I have lost 44 lbs. Anyway… After looking at this last night, I had a hard time sleeping. I am wondering if you think this woman just had something wrong with the elastic in her skin that would not allow any of her skin to go back to normal? Or is this just what happens to people that have to lose such a large amount of weight? I may not have quite as much weight to lose as she did, but it is comparable and I am absolutely shocked and scared that this could be the case for me too! Anyone else that has lost a lot of weight get so much skin it looked like this? If my boobs end up looking like that, I would rather be fat! Please check that out and tell me what you think. And if I have offended anyone, I am sorry. I am just really shocked. I would also like to know if you have any ideas of what a person can do while they are losing weight to prevent some of that saggy skin? I know that I will have some and I can deal with that, but man, I don’t want anything like she has. Please tell me of ways to help the skin go back to normal. Thanks in advance Sherry

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Pan between amps?

admin — Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Can a volume/stereo pan pedal be used to pan between two guitar amps? will there be ground loop or hum problems? Just thought it would be nice to pan rather than footswitch completely on or off different sounding amps.

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If you currently footswitch, and there are no ground loops, then you can confidently pan… __ Steve .

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I’ve done it at times. I do tend to run into ground loop issues, but they can be addressed. I’ve stopped doing it because it’s extra work -but I did like the tonal flexibility. Chuck

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Rockin John uses that VERY rig… He doesn’t seem to have any problems… one *clean* amp – one crunchy… gtski

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I have two "POS" cheap stereo pan fade pedals. See: http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Rolls/RFX_402P_Volume_CV_… I sometimes pan fade between my JMP 2204 and my Super Reverb. I’ve even stuck the second pedal in so I can fade between three amps (for example, a mix of high gain Mesa and 2204 for dirty, SR for clean). I don’t have a hum issue, but I plug all power sources into one power strip (off of a heavy duty ferroresonant power conditioner/isolator). The cool thing is that I can get those in between tones. For example, rock all the way to toe position and get heavily distorted 2204. Rock to heel, get SR. But as you move from toe to heel, the Marshall cleans up and the SR begins to kick in. It’s a big advantage over A/B/Y. Now, I’d like to find some quality pedals. Mine are VERY cheap ones, using open sliders. I would not recommend the Rolls POS pedals unless you get them dirt cheap, like I did. (Actually, one was dirt cheap, one was free. It was one of the Guitar Center "blow out" deals. When I got there, "not in stock." They ordered ONE, pre-paying for it. I got a call, picked it up. A couple of days later, I get a call "your pedal is in." I explain that I already picked it up. Guy says: "I don’t know, man. This says it’s yours and you paid for it, so come and take it to get it out of here." So, I did.)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can a volume/stereo pan pedal be used to pan between two guitar amps? will there be ground loop or hum problems? Just thought it would be nice to pan rather than footswitch completely on or off different sounding amps. I have two "POS" cheap stereo pan fade pedals. See: http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Rolls/RFX_402P_Volume_CV_… I sometimes pan fade between my JMP 2204 and my Super Reverb. I’ve even stuck the second pedal in so I can fade between three amps (for example, a mix of high gain Mesa and 2204 for dirty, SR for clean). I don’t have a hum issue, but I plug all power sources into one power strip (off of a heavy duty ferroresonant power conditioner/isolator). The cool thing is that I can get those in between tones. For example, rock all the way to toe position and get heavily distorted 2204. Rock to heel, get SR. But as you move from toe to heel, the Marshall cleans up and the SR begins to kick in. It’s a big advantage over A/B/Y. Now, I’d like to find some quality pedals. Mine are VERY cheap ones, using open sliders. I would not recommend the Rolls POS pedals unless you get them dirt cheap, like I did. (Actually, one was dirt cheap, one was free. It was one of the Guitar Center "blow out" deals. When I got there, "not in stock." They ordered ONE, pre-paying for it. I got a call, picked it up. A couple of days later, I get a call "your pedal is in." I explain that I already picked it up. Guy says: "I don’t know, man. This says it’s yours and you paid for it, so come and take it to get it out of here." So, I did.)

HORRORS…! ! ! ! ! ! Some accountant somewhere is looking into this… ? ? ? ? You know those bean-counters..! ! gtski

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My conscience is clear… Another story confirming that Karma will reward honesty: YEARS ago, we had a home burglary. They actually BUSTED the scumbag, returning to his open trunk to continue to off-load my stuff (but I did lose a lot of stuff that he already carried off). Dude ended up in prison, because by the time he went to trial he got busted two more times! When I went to the police property room to claim my property, they also had a watch and a nice men’s diamond ring with a 1/2 carat diamond. I’m sure that it wasn’t legitimately the burglar’s, it was probably stolen from another person the same night, since he was wearing some of my wife’s jewelry when they busted him! (Dumbf… had a woman’s ring on his finger with the cops approached him!). YEARS later, I get this call: "Hey, you have unclaimed property in the Seattle Police Department property room…" I explain that "it ain’t mine…" Cop says: "look, didn’t you suffer some loss during the break in?" I confirm that. So he says "It’s yours if you want it, the real owner will NEVER find it now, and if you don’t claim it we’ll just auction it off." So, I took it. The diamond now resides in a setting for my wife, and I put a ruby in the ring for me. I wore the watch for years. It gave me a sense of winning over the scumbag, wearing HIS watch (maybe his, but probably stolen from somebody).

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I don’t believe in Karma… but I live my life as if it did. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YEARS ago, we had a home burglary. They actually BUSTED the scumbag, returning to his open trunk to continue to off-load my stuff (but I did lose a lot of stuff that he already carried off). Dude ended up in prison, because by the time he went to trial he got busted two more times! When I went to the police property room to claim my property, they also had a watch and a nice men’s diamond ring with a 1/2 carat diamond. I’m sure that it wasn’t legitimately the burglar’s, it was probably stolen from another person the same night, since he was wearing some of my wife’s jewelry when they busted him! (Dumbf… had a woman’s ring on his finger with the cops approached him!). YEARS later, I get this call: "Hey, you have unclaimed property in the Seattle Police Department property room…" I explain that "it ain’t mine…" Cop says: "look, didn’t you suffer some loss during the break in?" I confirm that. So he says "It’s yours if you want it, the real owner will NEVER find it now, and if you don’t claim it we’ll just auction it off." So, I took it. The diamond now resides in a setting for my wife, and I put a ruby in the ring for me. I wore the watch for years. It gave me a sense of winning over the scumbag, wearing HIS watch (maybe his, but probably stolen from somebody).

Interesting. I feel that if it were MY watch, that he had stolen from me… I would be glad that if it were unable to be traced back to me, someone like YOU had it, instead of it being auctioned off. A much better Karmic *balance* as it were. gtski

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Bruce Gilfillan, tied to the tracks, said: Can a volume/stereo pan pedal be used to pan between two guitar amps?

I always figured that was what they were made for. will there be ground loop or hum problems?

As Steve noted, if you don’t have them with an AB switch, you’ll likely be OK. Just thought it would be nice to pan rather than footswitch completely on or off different sounding amps.

Mais, oui.

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question re: watch

admin — Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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I am thinking of bidding on a watch and although it doesn’t specifically say that it is authentic in the listing, the seller has responded to another buyer that it is in fact authentic and it is posted in the auction page. Question…if I buy it and it turns out to be fake, does eBay provide any sort of insurance/protection?

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I am thinking of bidding on a watch …

One of many risky categories on eBay. … and although it doesn’t specifically say that it is authentic in the listing, …

If it’s a brand and model that has been counterfeited, odds are that this is a fake too, unless the seller is merely a clueless novice. Share the auc#. Chances are you aren’t completely up to speed on how to read FB profiles. Does this seller hostage FB by any chance? … the seller has responded to another buyer that it is in fact authentic and it is posted in the auction page.

That makes "authentic" part of the description. Question…if I buy it and it turns out to be fake, does eBay provide any sort of insurance/protection?

Being a fake, when authentic was claimed, would make the item "substantially not as described" under the PayPal Buyer Protection. Do you in fact know how to verify the authenticity? Cover your butt anyway. Empty your PP account and fund the buy with a credit card. That way, you also get coverage under FCBA. But I’d suggest no-bidding until you learn more about the seller. And even then, bid once late. — http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

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page. It doesn’t "specifically say" it’s authentic but it’s posted in the auction page? What’s the auction number? Question…if I buy it and it turns out to be fake, does eBay provide any sort of insurance/protection?

Only if the seller *and* specific transaction qualifies….and the item is "significantly different". According to what you’ve said, it sounds like a screaming fake, and says so in the auciton. http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/questions/protection-program.html Kris

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The first rule of buying jewelry on eBay is DON’T!!! If you must, only spend what you are willing to hand to a street beggar or mugger since it’s totally and utterly foolish to buy any jewelry over $19.95 on eBay. You are guaranteed to get a fake, substandard, or mall quality item. Buying jewelry should only be done locally from a trusted jeweler. Rita

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here is the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4969002326&ss… seller has a "0" rating so I am running away from this auction.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am thinking of bidding on a watch and although it doesn’t specifically say that it is authentic in the listing, the seller has responded to another buyer that it is in fact authentic and it is posted in the auction page. Question…if I buy it and it turns out to be fake, does eBay provide any sort of insurance/protection? The first rule of buying jewelry on eBay is DON’T!!! If you must, only spend what you are willing to hand to a street beggar or mugger since it’s totally and utterly foolish to buy any jewelry over $19.95 on eBay. You are guaranteed to get a fake, substandard, or mall quality item. Buying jewelry should only be done locally from a trusted jeweler. Rita

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here is the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4969002326 seller has a "0" rating so I am running away from this auction..

More red flags than a highway construction project…. Kris

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My brother bought a TAG watch in Thailand for a